US Politics

[TheWickerFan]

Originally Posted by Despare

You can't just take something away from all of the people because there are so many idiots out there. The one thing I think needs to be cracked down on is gun sales... gun shows, pawn shops, and the like are just terrible and so many illegal firearms are purchased there. If we regulated the sale of firearms properly and trained the people using them there would be no issue. Simply disarming the citizens though, it's not the answer, and trust me... shit would hit the fan if it was tried.

Well I don't think that day will ever come. I think this thread alone has illustrated how strongly people feel about their right to bear arms, and I don't see that ever changing.

I agree (sorry), there are plenty of things that can be done besides banning guns to help improve the situation, but it does seem like the NRA piss and moan every single time someone suggests implementing changes, and they normally get their way.

[bwind22]

Well, the NRA is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington which means they have a lot of control over what happens with our laws.

See there? Once again lobbyists are a HUGE part of the problem.

And just like that, this entire thread has come full circle. :)

[wufongtan.]

Originally Posted by TheWickerFan

It The 'only the criminals will have guns' argument doesn't hold water when you study other countries that have banned guns.

When Australia issued tough arse gun laws. Gun crime has risen.

Originally Posted by TheWickerFan

'A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.'

We have a proper military now; this no longer applies. Unless you're planning on overthrowing the government.

What if the government looks to over throw the people

Originally Posted by bwind22

There is no disclaimer attached to it. We have the right to keep and bear arms. Simple as that. Doesn't matter if the government has a military or the Brits don't plan on attacking us. It is one of the 10 basic freedoms this country was founded on.

If you take out Americans right to bear arms. Then you run the risk of setting a precedent. If you change once. It no longer becomes a big deal to make changes again. Europe/ britain. Are both a mess. They have no freedoms. They would be the last people i would take advice from when it comes to what makes a better country

[Caenxavier]

Originally Posted by wufongtan.

If you take out Americans right to bear arms. Then you run the risk of setting a precedent. If you change once. It no longer becomes a big deal to make changes again. Europe/ britain. Are both a mess. They have no freedoms. They would be the last people i would take advice from when it comes to what makes a better country

Hell yeah, Britain is the new Nazi Germany!


I tried to buy some fish and chips and I got fish and french fries. I was all, what the fuck! Where are my Lays!

Guess that's what you get when the Queen is the law.....

[TheWickerFan]

If the government decides to overthrow the people, your gun collection isn't going to save you.

Out of curiosity, Wufong, where are you from?

[scouse mac]

Originally Posted by wufongtan.

Europe/ britain. Are both a mess. They have no freedoms. They would be the last people i would take advice from when it comes to what makes a better country

We're a mess? Wish someone had told me.


The biggest problem I have in the UK is the ridiculous price of fuel, Im not certain what freedoms you have that I dont? Its not like we're North Korea.

[Despare]

Originally Posted by TheWickerFan

If the government decides to overthrow the people, your gun collection isn't going to save you.

Out of curiosity, Wufong, where are you from?

You would be surprised at how many people in the military don't feel that way. Honestly...

[bwind22]

Originally Posted by Despare

You would be surprised at how many people in the military don't feel that way. Honestly...

Exactly. The military is made up of civilians like you and I. If the government ever got out of control to the point that the people decided to rise up against them, it's a safe bet that a healthy portion of the military would be on the people's side, not the governments.

We're a long way from that, but threatening to take away people's guns would be a pretty big step in the wrong direction.

[scouse mac]

One thing Ive learned from this thread is that people like bwind, despare & wufongtan see their right to own a gun on a par with owning a car (right?), a basic everyday thing.

I, naively it would appear, did not realize how commonplace or everyday a thing such as gun ownership is in the US and the fact that you have equated it with having the freedom of speech is stronger than I would've thought.

To put it my perspective, in my nearly 34 years Ive never even held a gun, let alone fired one. The only times Ive ever seen a gun is in the hands of the armed forces (during parades and open days etc) and armed police, primarily at airports (remember the bulk of UK police are not armed). Whilst it is possible for me to acquire one legally in the UK, it is both heavily regulated and licenced, I wouldn't have the first idea how to go about it.

Whilst the importance of the right to own one has been expressed vociferously, I still dont get why anyone would actually want to own one. But thats just me.

[Despare]

Originally Posted by scouse mac

One thing Ive learned from this thread is that people like bwind, despare & wufongtan see their right to own a gun on a par with owning a car (right?), a basic everyday thing.

I, naively it would appear, did not realize how commonplace or everyday a thing such as gun ownership is in the US and the fact that you have equated it with having the freedom of speech is stronger than I would've thought.

To put it my perspective, in my nearly 34 years Ive never even held a gun, let alone fired one. The only times Ive ever seen a gun is in the hands of the armed forces (during parades and open days etc) and armed police, primarily at airports (remember the bulk of UK police are not armed). Whilst it is possible for me to acquire one legally in the UK, it is both heavily regulated and licenced, I wouldn't have the first idea how to go about it.

Whilst the importance of the right to own one has been expressed vociferously, I still dont get why anyone would actually want to own one. But thats just me.

My friend, do you even know if we all own guns? Does the constitution say anything about owning a means of transportation? Despite how outdated some may tell you it is, or feel it is, our constitutional rights should be defended. Owning a car is so much different (although you still need a test and license to drive one, you can't just hop in one and go).