Society Vs Serial Killers

[abbra cadaver]

I was wondering if any one thinks that movies and tv are what, not cause but help form killers. By being constatntly surronded by all these medias that depict some sort of murder?

friends brought up the subject and i wanted to see what all you thought on it.

[DarkwingMantis]

This is just l;ike "does TV and Video games breed killers" Thread on another site I post. I seriously dont believe taht TV and movies can breed a killer. Its the society they were raised in a parents that did so. Killers and sociopaths have been around a lot longer than these fprms of media. If anything TV and such just makes them more creative

[AmarylandPsycho]

The age old question Nature Vs. Nurturecomes to mind. Ones experiences as a child has much to do with the developement of a serial killer. The base of a serial killer existence is derived from a traumatic childhood coupled with some faulty genetics. If someone is going to become a serial killer they're most likely going to find their way without the aid of the Media and Horror movies. Could it happen that a slasher flick pushes someone over the edge? Of course, but said person was well on their way long before they witnessed that final slasher flick. Who knows maybe the next movie I watch will send me into some homocidal killing spree. In the end we're all a little insane. Like the straw that broke the camels back. About two years ago my neighbor found out his wife was going to leave him. His reaction, you ask? Strangled her in his garage put her in the trunk and drove her to the airport. Her body sat in the trunk for 2 weeks. I can only imaging the smell (god bless her soul). That was his straw. What it takes to send someone over the edge is a very personal ordeal. Whatever it is I'm sure it must in some way rekindle strong feelings of past trauma.

[fluffho]

No.

lol well it depends. like anything else it depends on the person. its all perception. some kids look at beavis and butthead and laugh, some kids look and say 'wow they didnt die why dont i try burning myself'

nature vs nurture definitely fits. are we born natural good or bad? or with a combination of both? how about how we are brought up. if you look at most people who molest, kill, rape, most of them have had fucked up lives themselves. theres this one dude who killed his dad (cant remmeber the names, sorry) so he got life in jail. turns out when he was 5 his father was giving him a bath, took him down and raped him. THen again theres cybil, whos mother comPLETELY tortured her. her uterus was all scarred because her mom would poke her in there. also for no reason, she ewould put cold water inside of her bladder and make her hold it while she played some piano song (which lasted 12 minutes). now why the fuck would anyone do that? anyway, cybil never hurt anyone. so it depends on the person.

of course theres richard ramirez who grew with several brothers and sisters with a relatively normal life, and he went out and raped old ladies and took out their eyes. his brother and sisters never did anything like that though. richard is one of the biggest candidates for monsterdom, however what did he do with all the jewelry and money he stole? sent as presents to his family...

of course theres zodiac who was never caught (odds are hes dead, or inactiv hes like 70 now). anyway what was his method of killing? first of all, after he'd kil someone, he'd call the police. he'd say "a man and woman were each stabbed 12 times in the chest at blah blah street. i killed them" then would hang up. so how did he pick his victims? he'd pick a center point, i think it was a certain mountain, go out 1 mile, (radius of 1 mile, a circle) and went every 46.3degrees (i dont think its 46.3, but its some degree) and would pick every location and kill someone thre. in some cases the locatio was desolate, so he'd have a taxi driver drive ther, then kill the taxi driver. so obviously, he didnt give a fuck who he killed. but he sure liked to taunt people. oh yeh, he'd give coded letters to the newspapers saying 'print this or i will kill someone else. this message when decoded will reveal my identity' but of course it didnt.

anyway, i think its a combination of factors that cause people to do this shit, howeveri think media plays a very small part.

[Freddy Krueger.]

What DarkwingMantis and AmarylandPsycho said.

[crazy clown]

t.v. and films do not make a person into a psycho killer. its all on how that person's mind works. if someone blames t.v.for what they did then they probably would have gone off and did it anyway.

its also how that person is treated by the people around them. if their parents were psycho then maybe they'll turn psycho and off every person they see.

or if the person is picked like in columbine or a member of this for that used to come along and was a fan of freddy. how much can one person take before they finally snap and do something about it.

[DAWNOFTHEDEAN]

You all make very good well observed points but what about the film Scream that poked fun at the idea of a couple of crazy kids who'd blame t.v and horror movies for their murderous shennanigans? I know its just a film but surely we can't believe that there are'nt people like that. Granted they would have to be pretty f***ing disturbed but then i suppose thats the m.o of most if not all serial killers/psychos etc.

[AmarylandPsycho]

You all ever see the movie about sybil. That shit was crazy. I can't remeber if she was the one whose father made tied her to the potty chair. Either way that girl who was saved from the potty chair is still suffering. She's of interest because she had past the critical period for learning to communicate verbally. This lady(can't remember her name) worked with the girl to see if she could be taught to speak and express herself. While she learnd a ton of words she failed to grap the concepts needed to combine such words into language. This women felt that in order for the child to gain an understanding of language she needed more time. More time with a compassionate understanding teacher. She had already began to develope the type of bond she felt was required to attain this goal. Enter horrible mother who pinned all the abuse and tortue on the father. The Mom didnt like the women succeding where she and her spouse had so miserably failed. What did she do? She sent the child to a home for imcompetents and got a restraining order on the women. Needless to say the childs conditioin deteriorated rapidly and lost much of the ground she had worked so hard to achieve. This post may not have much to do with horror movies but it sure as shit has to do with the horror that can exist in our waking lives.

i hate to answer this question with a quote from a horror movie but as micky sed its just "life imitating art imitating life"(scream 2) movies just reflect a subculture that already exists.imean who knows whether a movie causes a man to kill people but i sure as shit think theyre smart people looking for a scape goat.

[DAWNOFTHEDEAN]

Well said Bridos. People would use tv/films etc as a scapegoat cos the media would be all too ready to jump down the throat of violent or visually disturbing images/films to prove a long (and unproven) theory of tv culture breeding psychos.