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01-13-2006, 10:08 AM
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Reparations And Affirmative Action?...Touchy Subjects
It isn't my intention to start a race riot...I'm one of the least racist people I know...I only wanted some of your opinions on these issues...
The way I see it: 1) Reparations are a way to say, "I'm sorry for what my people did to your people"...HOWEVER...Neither I, nor anyone in my family, or my friends (which are the people that I consider to be MY people, and they consist of different races), have ever hurt any other people...So, why should we feel the need to 'repair' injustices inflicted upon others by our forefathers (that we never even knew)?....Furthermore...None of the people that are alive today, participated in this indiscretion, be they considered the victim or the perpetrator....So, who do these reparations go to?...Victims who were never victimized... Why do people STILL feel so damned guilty?..WE did not do these things... 2) Affirmative Action takes jobs away from people who are more qualified (in many cases, and I HAVE seen it myself) and gives jobs to people who are less qualified, solely because of the color of their skin...If you ask me, THAT'S racism... Affirmative Action is supposed to be a way to make certain that people are not discriminated against because of their race...However, I don't know of ANY company that would get away with racial discrimintion ANYWAY...There ARE laws...If you are discriminated against, sue the bastards, make sure they're punished, but DON'T punish EVERYONE, before the fact, just in case someone MIGHT discriminate against someone else... That's just like throwing all 10 year olds in jail, just because they MIGHT become criminals when they're 20...I sincerely see it as THAT stupid... A person should earn a job on their own merit...If they have the skills, education, experience, and/or whatever else is necessary to obtain a particular job, it should be given to them...No matter WHAT color their skin is...
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01-13-2006, 10:39 AM
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I don't agree with a black person getting a job over a white person who is much better suited for the job, but if they are two equal applicants I believe the black person should get the job.
I think that racism still exists and the effects of slavery still effect black people today. So I support both Affirmative Action and Reparations for that reason. I feel that our government wasn't there for them then so I agree with today's government paying reparations today. I don't think anyone is racist for agreeing/disagreeing with them though.
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01-13-2006, 10:42 AM
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01-13-2006, 10:58 AM
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I just think that your lineage has a lot to do with how you end up. I think having a strong lineage is important and I think that alot of black people living in this country were robbed of that. Slavery wasn't that long ago, afterall. Think of it like crushing a sponge in your hand. Even after you stop crushing it, it takes awhile to recover fully. If you look at your lineage, they're usually the same class. It's not usually that one family is poor, and their kids grow up to be rich etc. I think slavery seriously disadvantaged black people, because it started that cycle.
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I believe that racism (which will most likely ALWAYS exist) is more to be blamed for lack of opportunities, for ALL races, than slavery is (at the present time)...But, at what point do you break away from that past?...The opportunities ARE available now, a person can obtain a decent education no matter what their race or background, I know many people of different races that are VERY intelligent....At what point does it end?...Don't you think that somewhere along the line, it can be considered an excuse?...Will people always be able to say "I can't make it because of my ancestors' trials?" Were Will Smith, Condaleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Luther Vandross, Michael Clarke Duncan, and a million other successful people, descendants of slaves?...I don't even know, yet whether they were or not, it doesn't seem to have mattered... Hispanics, Native Americans, etcetera, were never enslaved...And yet...
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I'm not saying it's impossible to become successful if your parents, grandparents,great grandparents etc.successful or it's impossible to move up in class, I'm just saying that I believe a strong lineage is an advantage which in the event of a tie for a job, I think the black person should get it. Well native americans weren't enslaved they were just killed outright. Good point though, sadly racism will always effect society. Last edited by Angelakillsluts; 01-13-2006 at 11:18 AM.
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Thanks for the discussion, Angela...As always, I appreciate and respect your views......You Rock:cool:
Dustin just walked in, so I gotta go... If the rest of you guys aren't afraid to carry on this discussion, I'd love to read it when I come back in... I KNEW some of you guys wouldn't wanna touch this one...Some subjects are like Leprosy, no? :p
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Way to heavy for me.....especially on a friday afternoon when all i have on my mind at the moment is a nice cold beer.:D
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I'm gonna have to agree with Rayne's first post here. Even though there are laws against racial descrimination, the laws break themselves 98% of the time on this subject. I myself am not racist, but some of these things are a bit much.
This situation is kind of like not being someone's friend because they're dad cheats on his wife. That's not really the kids fault now is it? It's the same thing. I'd also like to ask the question of, why is it ok for other races to make fun of(i.e. comedians) white's, but it's racism for us to say anything about any other race?:confused: I hope I haven't offended anyone here, but if I have. My apologies.
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