Reparations And Affirmative Action?...Touchy Subjects

[ItsAlive75]

It's a mixed bag, I think. On the one hand, it gives all minority students opportunities they would probably never have otherwise.

But then on the other side of it, it's kind of a stupid idea in its creation. You're doing something unequal to make equality. Kind of a paradox.

Plus if I was black, I would find it a little demeaning knowing I had that stigma on me.

[wood_elf_pansy]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I don't have anything to say besides how much I love that ''forgive and forget'' statement.

can i get a "whoot, whoot!"?

[wood_elf_pansy]

i'm going to teach myself spanish..... my step son is probably going to speak more spanish than english and i dont want him talking bad about me or his dad without us knowing it. (he is only 9 months old, incase there was confizzleation)

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by wood_elf_pansy
can i get a "whoot, whoot!"?

Actually, that was sarcasm, I think it's a little naive.

I swear, although I probably am, I'm not trying to be mean.

[wood_elf_pansy]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Actually, that was sarcasm, I think it's a little naive.

I swear, although I probably am, I'm not trying to be mean.

cool cool, i dont care so, its all good, no need to cry over spilled milk.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by wood_elf_pansy
cool cool, i dont care so, its all good, no need to cry over spilled milk.

Like I said not trying to be mean, I agree with you and think it would be great if everybody did forgive and forget but I think the idea of it is naive cause it's just not going to happen. Wasn't ripping on you personally or anything.

[wood_elf_pansy]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Like I said not trying to be mean, I agree with you and think it would be great if everybody did forgive and forget but I think the idea of it is naive cause it's just not going to happen. Wasn't ripping on you personally or anything.

good to know:)

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by trippin_the_rif
If they wanna live here, they need to learn our languge.

English is "our" language? Sorry, but we have more than one language. You're no more of an american than a person who moved here from another country either.

[cheebacheeba]

but if they are two equal applicants I believe the black person should get the job.

Angela...If you actually mean that...that's stupid. I mean I'm not here taking the opposing side, but what you just said, of I'm correct about it is that two people can apply for a job, a white person, and a black person, and be equally qualified...and the black person should just get it on account of that, being black? HAha...you don't seriously mean that do you?
If it came down to EXACTLY the same profile in every other way than race, clearly there'd be other factors to consider...attitude, references...etc, but "lets just hand the equally qualified black guy the job? Fuck all that, shit, even if I was the black guy, I'd be ashamed as a motherfucker to take a job given in such a manner. I mean, imagine the reverse, and the potential employers were conducting an interview, same questions, same answers. What if they asked the very frequently asked interview question "and why do you think you'd be good for this job?" would it be ok for his/her answer to be "Well, as you can see by my resume, I come highly qualified, oh, and because I'm BLACK, which clearly puts me over the top of all these equally qualified white folk". I wouldn't stand for that any more than I'd stand for the other applicant thinking he should have a better shot at the job on account of being white. Anyone that thinks race (regardless of which) could, or should carry them into a job should be ashamed of themselves, as should anyone that would perpetuate the situation by letting this kind of thing occur.

I don't know much about the whole affirmative action/reparation thang, so I admit partial ignorance in this matter...however, there have been issues in my countrys past (different story here, but similar situation)...the whites have done some TERRIBLE things to the indigenous people of this place, rapes, kidnappings, killings, and ongoing REALLY shitty treatment of any of those that survived these things. Do I feel bad about that? Of course. Will I apologise for acts commited by descendants? No fucking way. These are things that I would never consider doing to other people of ANY race, and I would very much frown upon anyone that could even entertain the notion, and yknow what? If that doesn't cut it, I couldn't give a fuck less.
I treat all people as equals, I'm an easygoing guy...I have friends from pretty much every race I've encountered here...however, that said...If and when I were to get my restaurant up and running in the future, and I was seeing applicants, it would take more qualifications than "I'm of a race trodden upon by your ancestors", to see them through their interview. Why? Because race isn't something I'd think to consider in the first place, one way or the other.
Sure, if it came down to a white person and a black person, admittedly, my subconcious may have me leaning in favour if the white person, however, that's irrelevant. The outcome would be decided SOLELY on the basis of skills, experience, and disposition. In the UNLIKELY event that the two people should have exactly the same age, presentation, and qualifications, the decision would be based on the persons attitude, work ethic, and general disposition.
See, throwing a job at a person because of their race, IMO, make ME look like the stupid asshole...and in all honesty, I don't think I'd REALLY be doing the person any favours if I DID. I'm all about equal oppertunity in terms of race, but that's exactly where the buck stops EQUAL means EQUAL.

In regards to your comments, Trippin...I have to say that I doubt that US citizens can't get decent jobs without being bilingual, if a person is skilled enough, and puts due effort into their training, and employment, there should be nothing to hold them back. If what you say is true, this is a very unfortunate situation, and I'd reccomend leaving immediately. As for a person who speaks both another language, and english learned as a second language maybe having a better chance than an equally qualified person that only speaks english, I'd say that unless their use of english was not profficient, as unfair as it may "seem" from the perspective of the single-language person, this is fair. If that's the case, it's not about race, it IS about being a more valuable asset...and only reflects upon their effort in learning a second language. Think about it, English mustn't be any easier to pick up than any other language WE'd consider foreign...whether or not these people have learned the language through neccessity, or employment prospects, they have done so on their own steam. In this situation, the bottom line is - they are multilingual, you are not. That's all it is.
Although I do agree with you on one point. If a person is to live in a country not their own, learning the local language prior to, or soon after arrival is the logical, and respectful thing to do...one might say that it would be even a little racist not to...but that's another story entirely, I just thought I'd let you know that I agree with your feelings on this matter.

[stubbornforgey]

EM deemed racist amongst my peers..but em not..just over opinionated on these
matters..I totally agree with you Rayne.
Em sick to death of maori (especially)
crying foul !!!
Every fucking day you hear on the news
about maori laying claim to yet another
piece of land or what ever..because
of the injustices forced upon them in the
early years ..ancestor wise..
They even sent a fucking letter to NASA..
demanding that they pay rent for the use
of the air space over new zealand..I KID YOU NOT..
They occupy certain pieces of land ..confiscated by the crown in the early
years.
My outspoken veiw on this matter is...
You don't own the land..remember..there
was a tribe of ppl here before you came and you ran them out..(mori hori)
who were eaten ..beaten ..slaughtered and forced into slavery..you fucking morons.
Maori are lazy..alot of them sit on the benefits..statistic wise..thier crime rate
is pathetically high..
there are more maori inmates than any
other race.
They walk around and bully thier way
into ppls lives..if you look at them wrong
they will take to you with a weapon...
The land the crown has given back to
them ..incuding settlement payments
are immediately sold to developers and the money is spent ...not on the ppl ..but investments like the casino and
rugby teams.
By the way..em part maori but you would never get me to admit it on an
application form.
I have also had dealings with aborigines..so know what the white australians are talking about on that matter..dirty fucks they are..!!!