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[The Villain]

Originally Posted by siorai

Each to their own I guess. I would put Sucker Punch in the same league as Inception. Fun to watch, with a fairly weak/simple storyline combined with great special effects. Funnily enough they also both use the multiple levels of reality plot mechanic to screw with the viewers. Yes, the acting in Inception was better for the most part (Ellen Page sucked pretty hardcore), but honestly I went into neither movie expecting great acting.

Yeah but the story in Inception was interesting at least. Sucker Punch was just stupid. A girl dances to distract people so the other girls can steal stuff and while she dances her mind takes into a over the top ridiculous world for absolutely no reason at all? Yeah that sounds great.

At least with Inception they were actually in the dream's and it made sense for the story since being in the dreams was the whole point. But there was no reason for her to go into those video game esque worlds when all she was doing was dancing. When you really think about it, the story is really stupid.

[Angra]

Originally Posted by The Villain

Yeah but the story in Inception was interesting at least. Sucker Punch was just stupid. A girl dances to distract people so the other girls can steal stuff and while she dances her mind takes into a over the top ridiculous world for absolutely no reason at all? Yeah that sounds great.
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You know, Sucker Punch WAS supposed to be a dance movie. Then the director found out the lead actress couldn't dance. So...

[_____V_____]

Originally Posted by Angra

You know, Sucker Punch WAS supposed to be a dance movie. Then the director found out the lead actress couldn't dance. So...

And the HDC Award for the Funniest Member goes to...


@the movie in question - a 'sucker punch' to the brains.

Big effects + weak story + ridiculous premise (don't equal to) entertainment.

[The Villain]

Originally Posted by Angra

You know, Sucker Punch WAS supposed to be a dance movie. Then the director found out the lead actress couldn't dance. So...

Well that explains everything.

Seriously Angra, you never fail to make me laugh. :D

[Angra]

Originally Posted by _____V_____

And the HDC Award for the Funniest Member goes to...

ABOUT FUCKING TIME!! :mad:

[siorai]

Originally Posted by The Villain

Yeah but the story in Inception was interesting at least. Sucker Punch was just stupid. A girl dances to distract people so the other girls can steal stuff and while she dances her mind takes into a over the top ridiculous world for absolutely no reason at all? Yeah that sounds great.

At least with Inception they were actually in the dream's and it made sense for the story since being in the dreams was the whole point. But there was no reason for her to go into those video game esque worlds when all she was doing was dancing. When you really think about it, the story is really stupid.

I guess the fact that the whole thing was actually taking place in an insane asylum and not a brothel where the girls were dancers/whores just zipped right past you then? We only see actual reality at the beginning and the end. Of course the action sequences of the girls finding the fire, key etc are not real. But so is the whole brothel setting as well. You really thought there was "no reason at all" for the over the top ridiculous world? Seriously? She's insane.

I guess they should have made it a bit more obvious what what happening like in Inception. Although even that overly simplistic plot mechanic (Oh no! A dream within a dream within a dream! So confusing!) still went over people's ability to comprehend so it probably wouldn't even matter.

[The Villain]

Originally Posted by siorai

I guess the fact that the whole thing was actually taking place in an insane asylum and not a brothel where the girls were dancers/whores just zipped right past you then? We only see actual reality at the beginning and the end. Of course the action sequences of the girls finding the fire, key etc are not real. But so is the whole brothel setting as well. You really thought there was "no reason at all" for the over the top ridiculous world? Seriously? She's insane.

I guess they should have made it a bit more obvious what what happening like in Inception. Although even that overly simplistic plot mechanic (Oh no! A dream within a dream within a dream! So confusing!) still went over people's ability to comprehend so it probably wouldn't even matter.

Okay first of all you shouldnt ruin the ending to movies for people without at least a warning, even a movie as terrible as Sucker Punch.

Second of all i got the "twist" ending. I dont think you did though. She wasnt crazy at all, she was thrown in there because of what happened in the beginning which you even said yourself was real. She wasnt crazy until the one orderly gave her the lobotomy and he did that as punishment to what she had been doing to him, he even forged the one woman's name which showed that the girl wasnt crazy at all. But they even said that she did start a fire and do a lot of other things that were shown in the movie and thats how the one girl got away. That was real. Now that doesnt mean that she distracted people by dancing and of course she didnt actually go into those dumb worlds. But did she create it in her head right before getting the lobotomy? Afterwards? What would the point be in that? How does that help her?

Either way, the twist doesnt change how stupid it was up until that point and the twist doesnt make anything better anyway. In fact it just gave the movie a boring cop out-the whole it was just a dream scenario. Plus its just so damn confusing, theres the real world where shes in an insane asylum and she created a fake world where its actually a brothel and while in that world she travels into other fakes worlds. Thats the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. At least in Inception, they actually did go into dreams and more dreams and so on and so on. Its not like at the end of the movie you found out that Cobb was crazy or something. That would have sucked, you know like Sucker Punch.

It also made no sense that the bus driver would be in the fake reality within a fake reality. When did she see the bus driver? Why is he the face of the spiritual guide/mentor whatever?

Also i cant stand movies that have crazy visuals just for the sake of having cool visuals. If it adds nothing to the plot, then its just pointless mindless crap geared towards the dumbest audience possible in an effort to make money.

[Angra]

Originally Posted by The Villain

Okay first of all you shouldnt ruin the ending to movies for people without at least a warning, even a movie as terrible as Sucker Punch.

Second of all i got the "twist" ending. I dont think you did though. She wasnt crazy at all, she was thrown in there because of what happened in the beginning which you even said yourself was real. She wasnt crazy until the one orderly gave her the lobotomy and he did that as punishment to what she had been doing to him, he even forged the one woman's name which showed that the girl wasnt crazy at all. But they even said that she did start a fire and do a lot of other things that were shown in the movie and thats how the one girl got away. That was real. Now that doesnt mean that she distracted people by dancing and of course she didnt actually go into those dumb worlds. But did she create it in her head right before getting the lobotomy? Afterwards? What would the point be in that? How does that help her?

Either way, the twist doesnt change how stupid it was up until that point and the twist doesnt make anything better anyway. In fact it just gave the movie a boring cop out-the whole it was just a dream scenario. Plus its just so damn confusing, theres the real world where shes in an insane asylum and she created a fake world where its actually a brothel and while in that world she travels into other fakes worlds. Thats the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. At least in Inception, they actually did go into dreams and more dreams and so on and so on. Its not like at the end of the movie you found out that Cobb was crazy or something. That would have sucked, you know like Sucker Punch.

It also made no sense that the bus driver would be in the fake reality within a fake reality. When did she see the bus driver? Why is he the face of the spiritual guide/mentor whatever?

Also i cant stand movies that have crazy visuals just for the sake of having cool visuals. If it adds nothing to the plot, then its just pointless mindless crap geared towards the dumbest audience possible in an effort to make money.

But most of all, Siorai. Don't talk down to us. That's just downright insulting.

[The Villain]

Originally Posted by Angra

But most of all, Siorai. Don't talk down to us. That's just downright insulting.

Yes that too. Thank you Angra

[siorai]

Originally Posted by The Villain

Okay first of all you shouldnt ruin the ending to movies for people without at least a warning, even a movie as terrible as Sucker Punch.

Second of all i got the "twist" ending. I dont think you did though. She wasnt crazy at all, she was thrown in there because of what happened in the beginning which you even said yourself was real. She wasnt crazy until the one orderly gave her the lobotomy and he did that as punishment to what she had been doing to him, he even forged the one woman's name which showed that the girl wasnt crazy at all. But they even said that she did start a fire and do a lot of other things that were shown in the movie and thats how the one girl got away. That was real. Now that doesnt mean that she distracted people by dancing and of course she didnt actually go into those dumb worlds. But did she create it in her head right before getting the lobotomy? Afterwards? What would the point be in that? How does that help her?

Either way, the twist doesnt change how stupid it was up until that point and the twist doesnt make anything better anyway. In fact it just gave the movie a boring cop out-the whole it was just a dream scenario. Plus its just so damn confusing, theres the real world where shes in an insane asylum and she created a fake world where its actually a brothel and while in that world she travels into other fakes worlds. Thats the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. At least in Inception, they actually did go into dreams and more dreams and so on and so on. Its not like at the end of the movie you found out that Cobb was crazy or something. That would have sucked, you know like Sucker Punch.

It also made no sense that the bus driver would be in the fake reality within a fake reality. When did she see the bus driver? Why is he the face of the spiritual guide/mentor whatever?

Also i cant stand movies that have crazy visuals just for the sake of having cool visuals. If it adds nothing to the plot, then its just pointless mindless crap geared towards the dumbest audience possible in an effort to make money.

You're right, I probably should have hidden what I said, but honestly it looks like nobody cares at all about this movie so why bother?

Spoilers ahead, but then again I obviously have missed the point of the movie according to most so this is just going to be my fantasyland version anyway.

Firstly, she wasn't lobotomized as punishment. That was set up as soon as she was brought it. That's why there was a timeframe as to when the "Big Roller" was coming to get her. Of course the signature was forged for the lobotomy because the orderly got paid off to have it done. The stepfather knew he was screwed and would get no money ever so the best solution was a lobotomy so Baby Doll could never tell the truth. As for her being insane, yes I believe she was or at least in such a depression to be effectively not of this reality anymore. She just went through her mother dying in the next room, presumably after a long illness? Then her stepfather proceeds to attempt to molest her and her sister. Then to top it all off, in the attempt to save her sister, she inadvertently kills her. Maybe that wouldn't drive you completely insane, but I feel that she definitely had some serious issues at that point. Plus she did get drugged which would just add to the whole scenario. Of course she set the fire and whatnot. The brothel and action-packed worlds were her brain's way of dealing with it. The brothel reality wasn't deep enough for her mind so it retreated further. As for when it was all created in her head, it was in the days before the lobotomy. Again, it was just her fragile mind's way of dealing with the situation.

How is having an imaginary world within an imaginary world any different from Inception? Seriously I would like to know because as far as I can see it it's the same exact scenario. As for it being confusing, how so? I thought it was pretty obvious. Real world = dark, grungy, they're all in an asylum. Brothel (not real) = bright, kinda grungy, they're all whores. Fantasyland (definitely not real) = complete non-reality, they're all super-duper kickass. I find that to be far more in your face than Inception was since every level of dream pretty much looks like real life where the characters started.

I do agree about the bus driver though. That made no sense at all really.