The next top 100 - Your help is requested

[Doc Faustus]

What about erotic/ body horror? Some of it might be sort of splatpunk, a lot of it might be sci-fi, but there are so many great movies about the body and the sex drive rebelling against itself that it would be a shame not to go give these room to breathe. The list could even be divided by which horror masterworks something branched off from.

[fortunato]

oh, wow. this is a great idea, ____v____! the sub-genres look great so far. if i can think of any, i'll send them to you.

can't wait to start sending recommendations!

[alkytrio666]

Originally Posted by Doc Faustus

What about erotic/ body horror?

Hear, hear! Good idea.

[ChronoGrl]

Originally Posted by Doc Faustus

What about erotic/ body horror? Some of it might be sort of splatpunk, a lot of it might be sci-fi, but there are so many great movies about the body and the sex drive rebelling against itself that it would be a shame not to go give these room to breathe. The list could even be divided by which horror masterworks something branched off from.

Hey, Doc... Can you give a secific example? I'm intrigued with the subgenre, but I can't identify any films... Possibly tetsuo? Maybe even American Psycho (it's not as simple as "slasher" I would argue)... Could you elaborate?

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V, I would definitely add "Torture Porn" to this list. With the popularity of Hostel and Saw, I feel as though that this subgenre is definitely more than "slasher," though it generally gets swept under the ubiquitous rug of the Slasher. Texas Chainsaw Massacre even meanders into this territory, especially with "The Beginning." You also see this with Rob Zombie films (Devil's Reject's, for example, would be "Torture Porn," and not simply "slasher").

In that vein, I believe that movies like I Spit On Your Grave and Last House on the Left, could be considered either "Slasher" or "Torture Porn," but these might be better categorized as just plain "Revenge" (also consider "Ichi The Killer," which is incredibly popular in the realm of horror).

This sub-genre might also be considered "Shock," "Schlock," or "Exploitation" horror, as made popular with the 70s films that Grindhouse is emulating. Exploitation horror was really the birth of Torture Porn.

Also, I have slight issues with "Ghost" being grouped with "Haunted House" because "Haunted House" would be the grander Sub-Genre, under which "Slasher" or even "Sci-Fi" were spawned (example: Halloween, though slasher is "Haunted House," and "Alien," though scifi could be considered "Haunted House")... I would argue that it was the genre "Haunted House" that berthed the other sub-genres... So I think you might be better off as having the sub-genre labelled "Ghost/Super Natural" (to account for Grudge, Poltergeist, AND The Ring and similar movies).


If you wanted to talk about "Zombies/Re-animations," you have to consider "Infection," "Disease" ("Medical Horror"?) as a sub-genre. For example, movies like 28 Days/Weeks, Black Sheep, Matango, are categorized as "Zombie" when "Infection" is defintely more accurate.

And now that we're discussing Zombies, how about "Post Apocalyptic Horror"? This is most certainly a sub-genre that is spawned from the above.

In regards to "Slasher," you might want to consider "Home Invasion" or "Seige" as a sub-genre (Dawn of the Dead, for example, is very much "Seige," and so is Aliens). Hills Have Eyes would certainly fall into this category.

You have "Mythical Creatures," but I would argue that this is WAY too broad and you should allow for the sub-genre of Giant Monster, possibly one of the more classic and well-known sub-genres of horror (Godzilla, The Host, Cloverfield).


And can we also be careful with the use of "Gothic"? Part of the characteristic of "Gothic Horror" is the purposeful and horrific perversion of nature. For example, Frankenstein, when originally written by Shelly, was considered "Gothic Horror" (followed by the themes and writings of Edgar Allan Poe - they certainly defined the genre, in a classical sense).




.................. Aaaaaaaaaaaand there's my two cents (with a little help from the boyfriend).

[Disease]

I guess Sci fi kind of covers horror on another planet or does it? or is there just not enough movies to bother giving it a genre?

what about post apocalyptic horror, I think that would be a good genre.

hmm what else, maybe water horror? as in the ocean, anything taking place on or under the ocean or sea, perhaps a better name would be amphibious horror..

[Roderick Usher]

BODY HORROR

Tetsuo
The Brood
Videodrome
Shivers
The Fly remake
Baby Blood
X the man with X-Ray Eyes
The Amazing Colossal Man
Attack of the 50-ft woman
The Incredible Shrinking Man

[Disease]

What about serial killer flicks or would they cross with slasher?

I'm talking more so movies based on real life ones but also Henry and anything else like that, which tends to be more of a thriller genre, but some are trully horror...

[Disease]

Originally Posted by Roderick Usher

BODY HORROR

Tetsuo
The Brood
Videodrome
Shivers
The Fly remake
Baby Blood
X the man with X-Ray Eyes
The Amazing Colossal Man
Attack of the 50-ft woman
The Incredible Shrinking Man

I guess the blob could be in that list, maybe even the thing... invasion of the bodysnatchers though they could also come under sci fi /horror... this genre selection is difficult to narrow down.

[_____V_____]

Originally Posted by Doc Faustus

What about erotic/ body horror? Some of it might be sort of splatpunk, a lot of it might be sci-fi, but there are so many great movies about the body and the sex drive rebelling against itself that it would be a shame not to go give these room to breathe. The list could even be divided by which horror masterworks something branched off from.

Very true. However, as Rod pointed out, most of Body Horror either comes under Human Monsters, Sci-Fi or Psychological. Yet lets keep Body Horror in mind, just in case.

Originally Posted by ChronoGrl

V, I would definitely add "Torture Porn" to this list. With the popularity of Hostel and Saw, I feel as though that this subgenre is definitely more than "slasher," though it generally gets swept under the ubiquitous rug of the Slasher. Texas Chainsaw Massacre even meanders into this territory, especially with "The Beginning." You also see this with Rob Zombie films (Devil's Reject's, for example, would be "Torture Porn," and not simply "slasher").

In that vein, I believe that movies like I Spit On Your Grave and Last House on the Left, could be considered either "Slasher" or "Torture Porn," but these might be better categorized as just plain "Revenge" (also consider "Ichi The Killer," which is incredibly popular in the realm of horror).

This sub-genre might also be considered "Shock," "Schlock," or "Exploitation" horror, as made popular with the 70s films that Grindhouse is emulating. Exploitation horror was really the birth of Torture Porn.

Also, I have slight issues with "Ghost" being grouped with "Haunted House" because "Haunted House" would be the grander Sub-Genre, under which "Slasher" or even "Sci-Fi" were spawned (example: Halloween, though slasher is "Haunted House," and "Alien," though scifi could be considered "Haunted House")... I would argue that it was the genre "Haunted House" that berthed the other sub-genres... So I think you might be better off as having the sub-genre labelled "Ghost/Super Natural" (to account for Grudge, Poltergeist, AND The Ring and similar movies).

If you wanted to talk about "Zombies/Re-animations," you have to consider "Infection," "Disease" ("Medical Horror"?) as a sub-genre. For example, movies like 28 Days/Weeks, Black Sheep, Matango, are categorized as "Zombie" when "Infection" is defintely more accurate.

And now that we're discussing Zombies, how about "Post Apocalyptic Horror"? This is most certainly a sub-genre that is spawned from the above.

In regards to "Slasher," you might want to consider "Home Invasion" or "Seige" as a sub-genre (Dawn of the Dead, for example, is very much "Seige," and so is Aliens). Hills Have Eyes would certainly fall into this category.

You have "Mythical Creatures," but I would argue that this is WAY too broad and you should allow for the sub-genre of Giant Monster, possibly one of the more classic and well-known sub-genres of horror (Godzilla, The Host, Cloverfield).

And can we also be careful with the use of "Gothic"? Part of the characteristic of "Gothic Horror" is the purposeful and horrific perversion of nature. For example, Frankenstein, when originally written by Shelly, was considered "Gothic Horror" (followed by the themes and writings of Edgar Allan Poe - they certainly defined the genre, in a classical sense).

1) Torture Porn and Revenge Horror flicks are essentially covered under Human Atrocity. Looks like Manchestr's and Jenna's initial claim has now gotten much stronger. Excellent point.

2) I agree. Ghosts and the Supernatural will have their separate sub-genre. And since Haunted Houses come under English Gothic, it will merge with that one. Another excellent point.

3) I did consider infections and diseases, thats why the sub-genre is named Zombies/ Re-Animations. Its covered.

4) I think most post-Apocalyptic Horror movies come under Sci-Fi horror. Besides there arent many of those to be actually listed as a separate sub-genre. But still, lets keep that too in mind.

5) Now that Human Atrocity will most certainly have its own sub-genre, I think the home invasion and siege segments will be covered by it and the Slasher sub-genre.

6) I totally agree. Mythological Creatures find better representations in books than movies. That can be dispensed with, because we do have Creature Monsters as a category.

7) Gothic is by no means taken casually. Its impact on the genre is overwhelming, hence not one but TWO separate sub-genres for it - English and American.


Excellent points, Chrono. I am glad you are a part of this project.:)

Originally Posted by Disease

I guess Sci fi kind of covers horror on another planet or does it? or is there just not enough movies to bother giving it a genre?

what about post apocalyptic horror, I think that would be a good genre.

hmm what else, maybe water horror? as in the ocean, anything taking place on or under the ocean or sea, perhaps a better name would be amphibious horror..

Yes it does.

Most of Amphibious horror comes directly under Creature Monster flicks or Sci-Fi. I think its covered.

Originally Posted by Disease

What about serial killer flicks or would they cross with slasher?

I'm talking more so movies based on real life ones but also Henry and anything else like that, which tends to be more of a thriller genre, but some are trully horror...

They would cross with Slasher. And now that we have Human Atrocity, I think between both of those, its covered quite nicely.


Good work, folks. Very good points raised...and that changes the sub-genre list a bit, which looks like this now :

1. Ghosts and The Supernatural
2. English Gothic/ Haunted Houses
3. American Gothic/ Surreal
4. Psychological
5. Human Atrocity
6. Traditional/ Pagan/ Ritualistic
7. Occult/ Demonic Possession
8. Telekinesis/ Mind Control
9. Human Monsters
10. Creature Monsters
11. Vampires
12. Werewolves/ Shape-Shifters
13. Golems/ Mummies
14. Zombies/ Re-Animations
15. Splatterpunk
16. Slashers
17. Comic/ Dark Humor/ Cheesy
18. Sci-Fi Horror
19. Weird Pulp
20. Redneck/ Cannibalism

Looks like a pretty good categorisation. If all are satisfied, we can proceed to the next stage. If not, bring your views forward.

[fortunato]

looks good to me.
i might suggest putting a brief description of each and perhaps an example of a movie for each genre before you start taking recommendations. it might help to clear up any discrepancies or confusion.