Touchy Subject

[monalisa]

Originally Posted by bloodrayne

Better for?...No...Exactly the same...With the exact same result

Do you think that as soon as a baby pops out it's anymore "aware of its existance" than it was BEFORE it came out?...I think not

I totally disagree. Yes, it is very much aware of it's existance once it's born. How could you look into the face of your newborn child and NOT realize that?

And as for your comment of "Oh, you don't want STRETCH MARKS?...Selfish, SHALLOW bitch, you shouldn't have gotten pregnant" again I say there are cases, MANY MANY cases when all precautions are taken and the woman still gets pregnant. I have always respected your opinion Rayne, but I can't believe how ignorant you are being this time.

[Despare]

Originally Posted by monalisa

I totally disagree. Yes, it is very much aware of it's existance once it's born. How could you look into the face of your newborn child and NOT realize that?

And as for your comment of "Oh, you don't want STRETCH MARKS?...Selfish, SHALLOW bitch, you shouldn't have gotten pregnant" again I say there are cases, MANY MANY cases when all precautions are taken and the woman still gets pregnant. I have always respected your opinion Rayne, but I can't believe how ignorant you are being this time.

You won't find "MANY MANY" cases of accidental pregnancy with couples where both the man and woman use the proper precautions. Hell, if you don't want a kid use the pill, condoms, a diaphragm, spermicide, and the morning after pill.

[monalisa]

Originally Posted by Despare

You won't find "MANY MANY" cases of accidental pregnancy with couples where both the man and woman use the proper precautions. Hell, if you don't want a kid use the pill, condoms, a diaphragm, spermicide, and the morning after pill.

Oh for God's sake, wake up. Yes there are MANY MANY cases where the couple takes the proper precautions and the woman still gets pregnant. And there are also MANY MANY cases where, maybe they aren't that strong of a couple and they still take the precautions, woman gets pregnant, guy takes off thinking "not MY problem" and the woman is stuck wondering what to do. That same guy can go and spout off about how pro-life he is and doesn't even give a crap about the girl he got pregnant. And no, it's not always easy to track those morons down. But he is still just as responsible for that pregnancy as she is, he just doesn't have to deal with it.

[bloodrayne]

Originally Posted by monalisa

I totally disagree. .

That's your right

Originally Posted by monalisa

Yes, it is very much aware of it's existance once it's born. How could you look into the face of your newborn child and NOT realize that?

Okay, I should have worded that one differently..."Do you think it's any LESS 'aware of its existence' BEFORE it pops out?"...It's moving, playing with its toes, crying, laughing, being hungry, sleeping, hiccupping, holding its hands and playing with its fingers...

Originally Posted by monalisa

And as for your comment of "Oh, you don't want STRETCH MARKS?...Selfish, SHALLOW bitch, you shouldn't have gotten pregnant" again I say there are cases, MANY MANY cases when all precautions are taken and the woman still gets pregnant.

Okay, but that's not the baby's fault...It shouldn't be executed for it...Someone has an 'accident'...Give it up for adoption, or drop it off at a safe place...Is THAT difficult?

And it's my opinion that if someone's ONLY reason for having an abortion is to avoid stretch marks, that person IS a 'selfish, SHALLOW bitch'...That's the way I feel, and I stand by it

Originally Posted by monalisa

I have always respected your opinion Rayne, but I can't believe how ignorant you are being this time.

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge about a subject...I happen to have a HELL of a lot of knowledge pertaining to this subject...Therefore, by definition, it's impossible for me to be "ignorant" about it...So, you may wanna reword yours ;)

Having a different opinion does not make a person ignorant...Although MOST of what I stated was FACT

I had a little surprise myself...He's watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force at the moment...I certainly wasn't planning on having anymore kids, especially at my age...But...I never once considered 'getting rid' of him

[bloodrayne]

Originally Posted by monalisa

But he is still just as responsible for that pregnancy as she is, he just doesn't have to deal with it.

And neither does the woman, if she gives it up for adoption

[monalisa]

Originally Posted by bloodrayne

That's your right

Okay, I should have worded that one differently..."Do you think it's any LESS 'aware of its existence' BEFORE it pops out?"...It's moving, playing with its toes, crying, laughing, being hungry, sleeping, hiccupping, holding its hands and playing with its fingers...

It ain't doing all that when it's a 4 week old embryo.

Originally Posted by bloodrayne

Okay, but that's not the baby's fault...It shouldn't be executed for it...Someone has an 'accident'...Give it up for adoption, or drop it off at a safe place...Is THAT difficult?

And it's my opinion that if someone's ONLY reason for having an abortion is to avoid stretch marks, that person IS a 'selfish, SHALLOW bitch'...That's the way I feel, and I stand by it

There is a lot more to pregnancy and childbirth than stretchmarks. Come on Rayne surely you know that.

Originally Posted by bloodrayne

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge about a subject...I happen to have a HELL of a lot of knowledge pertaining to this subject...Therefore, by definition, it's impossible for me to be "ignorant" about it...So, you may wanna reword yours ;)

I know what ignorant means and that why I chose that word. Perhaps I should have said "I can't believe how ignorant you seem", because, I thought you of all people would never say something like if you don't want a baby then don't get pregnant. That is just not that bright of a statement.
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Originally Posted by bloodrayne

I had a little surprise myself...He's watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force at the moment...I certainly wasn't planning on having anymore kids, especially at my age...But...I never once considered 'getting rid' of him

I'm very happy for you and Ash and Dustin. But that still does not give you the right to decide for another person what to do.

[monalisa]

Originally Posted by bloodrayne

And neither does the woman, if she gives it up for adoption

Yah, approx NINE MONTHS later! Geez, the guy doesn't have to go through ANYTHING physical unless you find him and beat the hell out of him for being such an asshole.

[Despare]

Originally Posted by monalisa

Yah, approx NINE MONTHS later! Geez, the guy doesn't have to go through ANYTHING physical unless you find him and beat the hell out of him for being such an asshole.

The first step would be to blame yourself for sleeping with the guy and stop blaming the guy. It's not his fault that he doesn't have to go through childbirth.

[bloodrayne]

Originally Posted by monalisa

It ain't doing all that when it's a 4 week old embryo.

It's still human..It's not a fish

Here's another fact...MOST people don't even KNOW they're pregnant until 6-8 weeks (after they miss that period)...Unless they KNOW they had sex without precaution and are fervently testing every week after the fact

Originally Posted by monalisa

There is a lot more to pregnancy and childbirth than stretchmarks. Come on Rayne surely you of all people know that.

Like vomiting?...Some people don't vomit at all...And people will risk vomiting to get drunk

Swollen ankles?...It goes away, it isn't THAT big a discomfort

The pain of childbirth?...Yeah, that's a doozy...But, it only lasts a little while...And with an epidural, you don't even have to deal with it at all

Nothing associated with being pregnant is bad enough to merit taking the life of a baby to avoid it

And no matter what happens...It's still not the baby's fault...Why is the life of the mother so much more important than the life of the baby?...The mother was a baby once, too...When did her status change to being a more important person, or a person who deserves life more?

Originally Posted by monalisa

I'm very happy for you and Ash and Dustin. But that still does not give you the right to decide for another person what to do.

Thanks, he's a doll...But, DAMN is he a stubborn little thing :)

I wasn't deciding anything for anyone...I stated a few facts, asked a couple of questions, and stated my opinion

Just as you have stated yours...And I didn't chide you for it

[monalisa]

Originally Posted by Despare

The first step would be to blame yourself for sleeping with the guy and stop blaming the guy. It's not his fault that he doesn't have to go through childbirth.

Blame yourself for sleeping with the guy??? OMG. THE GUY IS JUST AS RESPONSIBLE!!!!!! What are you, a fucking caveman? (No, I don't work for Geico.)