Gun Control Debate

[PR3SSUR3]

Only by the reprobates and the guilty, my friend....


;)

[Despare]

Everybody likes a little Pressure now and then.

[bwind22]

Originally Posted by paws the great

Where was our LAW ENFORCEMENT monday?


Did they stop Cho Seung Hui's execution of 32 INNOCENT people?

Nope, but I bet if a few of the people in the school building had been excersing their right to bear arms, they probably would have stopped him. In fact, if Cho knew that other people probably did have their own guns, he might have thought twice about the whole fiasco in the first place. The restrictions we already have in place on guns (not being able to have them in public places) probably, on some root level, allowed this whole situation to take place to begin with. Guns were not allowed on VT campus, yet this psychotic rule-breaking dude had 2. That's a perfect example on a small scale of what would likely be the case nationwide if they tried banning guns at this point. The bad guys do what they want & have their guns, the good people follow the rules and become fish in a barrel for the psychopath.

[monalisa]

Originally Posted by PR3SSUR3

Only by the reprobates and the guilty, my friend....


;)

Not true deary. :p ;)

[monalisa]

Originally Posted by bwind22

Nope, but I bet if a few of the people in the school building had been excersing their right to bear arms, they probably would have stopped him. In fact, if Cho knew that other people probably did have their own guns, he might have thought twice about the whole fiasco in the first place. The restrictions we already have in place on guns (not being able to have them in public places) probably, on some root level, allowed this whole situation to take place to begin with. Guns were not allowed on VT campus, yet this psychotic rule-breaking dude had 2. That's a perfect example on a small scale of what would likely be the case nationwide if they tried banning guns at this point. The bad guys do what they want & have their guns, the good people follow the rules and become fish in a barrel for the psychopath.

Yah, what he said!

Damn bwind, I never realized how much on the same wavelength we were. :) :eek:

[stubbornforgey]

Originally Posted by bwind22

Nope, but I bet if a few of the people in the school building had been excersing their right to bear arms, they probably would have stopped him. In fact, if Cho knew that other people probably did have their own guns, he might have thought twice about the whole fiasco in the first place. The restrictions we already have in place on guns (not being able to have them in public places) probably, on some root level, allowed this whole situation to take place to begin with. Guns were not allowed on VT campus, yet this psychotic rule-breaking dude had 2. That's a perfect example on a small scale of what would likely be the case nationwide if they tried banning guns at this point. The bad guys do what they want & have their guns, the good people follow the rules and become fish in a barrel for the psychopath.

nicely said Bwind
This is an ongoing debate everywhere..and still innocent ppl are being butchered in order to satisfy 'the rights' of law abiding citizens who continue to arm themselves.
According to his students police check..he too was a law abiding citizen who just lost it for some unexplainable reason.

[bwind22]

Originally Posted by monalisa

Yah, what he said!

Damn bwind, I never realized how much on the same wavelength we were. :) :eek:

:)



For the record, I don't have anything against making guns more difficult to obtain either. Current laws are too lax in that department, but I'm a MILLION % against an outright banning of guns to the general public. In addition to the already in place background checks, I'd suggest mandatory psychiatric evaluation & competency testing as well as classes and training (rifle or handgun specific) to educate gun owners.

[PR3SSUR3]

The withdrawal of the general right to own and shoot guns would reduce your gun crime in the long term, since this would stem the flow of illegal weapons.

There would be less chance of a person going beserk with a weapon, so less need for you to have one.

A national amnesty would of course not remove all illegal weapons, but their numbers would thin significantly and the gun culture slowly change.

Perhaps it is too late for Americans however, who through deep rooted feelings of insecurity will continue to destroy themselves out of fear of being destroyed - a violent country like this seems destined to remain that way.

Let's just hope they keep the really big guns out of it...

:eek:

[bwind22]

Originally Posted by PR3SSUR3

The withdrawal of the general right to own and shoot guns would reduce your gun crime in the long term,

HERE!

since this would stem the flow of illegal weapons.

Right there, where I said "HERE', that is where you lose me. Banning guns would not magically make all the people that are bad and already have them disarm. Nor would it stop them or future bad people from buying or selling them on the black market. The only flow it would stem would be the regular joe who wouldn't be willing to break the law to get one.

Drugs are illegal here, but I could probably find anything you wanted with a few phone calls. *shrug* Just because something is illegal does not make it go away.

There would be less chance of a person going beserk with a weapon, so less need for you to have one.

A psycho is a psycho. People use weapons other than guns all the time. If someone snaps & they wanna kill someone, they find a way.

A national amnesty would of course not remove all illegal weapons, but their numbers would thin significantly and the gun culture slowly change.

Perhaps it is too late for Americans however, who through deep rooted feelings of insecurity will continue to destroy themselves out of fear of being destroyed - a violent country like this seems destined to remain that way.

Let's just hope they keep the really big guns out of it...

:eek:

We'll take it under consideration, but let me tell you... Iran & North Korea are pushing their luck. ;)

[Prey]

I do agree to an extent to what you say, Pressure. But its not the insecurity which drives a person to get a gun. If that was the case, all geeks and pessimistic people would be gun owners in the first place.
Post 9/11, this number has increased significantly because the common American citizen's first priority is safety of his family, his wife, his child and his parents.
And with Bin Laden somewhere out there calling the shots and our own administration unable to stop him, he has no choice, actually.