Is art objective?

[Haunted]

Originally posted by novakru
I think you have a good argument.
There is a standard for art.
But there is also a personal preference which supersedes the standard.
So,you're both kinda right.

Art is the physical manifestation of creativity,untainted by politics,religion or any social viewpoint.

The Mona Lisa is art.
A jar of your own piss with a crucifix stuck in it and calling it Piss Christ is not.
Some might say the Cistine Chapel or the Pieta is religious in nature,but it's not-it neither promotes nor denies a religious viewpoint.It is the artist's interpretation of a story from a book.

And what does pabulum mean?

Oh but art is a reaction to religion, politics, and ALL social view points. They're what fires the brain into reacting or possibly rebelling.

Can you compare Monet with Romero? You'd have to be looking at both from weird angles, but that's what so great about art. There's a broad spectrum, prismatic almost, to which you can compare artistic works.

What can hold the prestigious title of "Art?" In my book it sure as hell won't be a movie like "Chopping Mall" however, someone into 80's B horror films can draw various conclusions that enables them to see that piece of shit film as a masterpiece. (Be very afraid of that person).

[novakru]

Like I was saying before,
Art neither promotes or denies-it just is

If used as such-it's propaganda,it's the human equivalence of-my god is better than your god-my political side is the only side-what I do socially is the Only way,and Dick and Jane down the street are wrong and wierd...

See what I'm saying?

And ,to clear up any confusion-I am debating.
I am not angry,and I am not saying anyone is wrong.
@nock....this was a great thread-you didn't "start" anything sweetie.

[scouse mac]

This is an easy question to answer for me. A painting, sculpture, photograghs etc can be called art and whether you like it or not is up to the individual. Alot of this bullshit we see today is most definately NOT art and no matter how many pretty words are used to polish it up it never will be. Some lazy bastard who cant be arsed to make the bed decides to show it in a museum and, before you know it, a gaggle of chinless wonders are having multiple orgasms over it like its a modern day Van Gogh. It's all bollocks and has no relevance to modern society, politics, religion or whatever. I can appreciate a nice picture but thats about as complicated as it gets.

[Haunted]

I get you, Nova... it's sorta the old saying that art reflects life. Have you ever tried art that reflets another life? That's what fiction is all about. You construct your characters from the feet up. You get to tell their story, describe their features... The subtlety is that of a painter at her easle. Each brush stroke is another characteristic. I love the art of writing. (I personally believe that poetry is the more refined writing form of art.

This IS a great thread. There shouldn't be any arguments, just us sharing thoughts and opinions.

[noctuary]

To Nova and Haunted: I'm glad you guys enjoy the thread. And I'm very glad it hasn't led to any arguments. I thought it was an important subject, so it's good to see so many thoughtful replies.

Let's hear some more, people. Inquiring minds want to know.

[Elvis_Christ]

"Art. Great thing till the idealogy consumes it. True passion put to hard copy will always have it critics venomisly destroying its crediblity and merit as art"

- Trash Fume Issue #1

[Haunted]

That's also the case with politics.

People are fuck ups, but if we weren't here, who would we talk to?