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11-27-2003, 10:31 PM
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Freddy vs Jason 2 possibilities
Hi, so, no doubt most of you have heard that Yu claims there's a CONFIRMED sequel to F vs J, right? And I'm sure you've most likely heard that there was a possible consideration to adding a third challenger, and that it would "most likely" be Ash, from the Evil Dead series...well, when I heard that, it got me thinking to a few possibilities of how they might bring all these characters together, and have such a movie play out.
I know this post is kinda long, but if there's any horror fans out there that could have a look, and let me know what you all think, that'd be cool....for those of you that read my last post, I've made a few additions... Ok, Let’s say after the events of Army of Darkness, Ash DOES get back to his own time, as per the non-directors cut version of A.O.D...After taking down that witch thing towards the end, he realises (hey, obviously) there’s still some f***ed-up “evil dead” type stuff going on, and decides to go torch the cabin so nobody else can f*** with the book and/or cassette player.....whatever. However, it turns out he’s already too late, as a few family members of the rednecks from ED2 go looking for their relatives (sisters, lovers…etc), and have found the cabin, and decided that “If’n there aint nobody in it, it’s ours hee-haw…”, so, obviously it’s only a matter of time before they come across the book and cassette player, and cause the evil-dead shit to hit the fan again.... Meanwhile down in hell, most of the remnants of the spirits (or spirit) of the deadites from the first two ED films are dwelling in the same area (I know, this would require an addition to the original ED idea of them just dying again when “chopped”) as, coincidentally, the "thought to be dead" head of freddy, and Jason, both at this point lying dormant.... I should explain here that I DO know that in the end of F vs J, that the setting still appeared to be Crystal lake, but obviously something funny was going on, as Freddys head, severed in the “real world”, wouldn’t have winked otherwise. There’s a few directions that situation could take, but the one I’ll stick with for a while is that at the point of their double-kill death, they were in fact dragged immediately down to hell, were Freddy had just enough power to maintain the crystal lake illusion, and is biding his time in hell, thinking of a “plan” against Jason, or to escape. Now, due to the incantations playing above, and the book, the deadites start stirring, and are, well, slowly pulled back up to our reality…Now, as the woods have been so evil, and cursed or whatever for so long, as well as the deadites (who don’t all necessarily have to be recognisable as the original characters, and could also be past deadites we haven’t seen b4 either) it's also easier for all manner of beings/spirits…etc to come back up topside, soooo, freddys uh, essence takes advantage, and “floats” on up with the rest of the deadites, gloating at the form of the dormant Jason , saying “pussy”, or something of that nature….of course this wakes Jason, and seeing his “victim” getting away, naturally gives chase and ends up riding the wave back to our reality. From then on, F AND J (and the deadite “ghosts”) are taken back in by the fog thing that runs the show (you GOTTA know what I’m talking about here), F and J are taken to be just two more deadites, and are restored into full (and then some) capacity, as are the rest of the deadites, who could also maybe be a little “upgraded” (but not by any means, in jason x style) and be a bit meaner than their previous incarnations.... Anywhay, that's how they all get back, F and J are still pissed off at eachother, still fighting, but let’s say that due to the “tweaking” they got from the fog thing (if it’s NOT already considered an entity, perhaps something could be established in the storyline at some point so that the fog thing is seen to be a viable being, or conscious collective at least), their powers have been kinda spliced, allowing jason some supernatural freddy-ish powers (that they can both now use on earth, thanx to the fog thing) and ALSO allowing freddy to be more than just a punching-bag for Jason, and maybe a tad bigger…(or he could even go further into the demonic form we saw in F vs J) Ok, well, that’s the majority of what was on my mind, but I though of a few other cool things that could go down in the movie….this parts just not in as much depth… So anyway, back to Ash…he rocks up, wanting to destroy the cabin... *the rednecks can just be the "cannon" fodder for the film (‘cos you know everyone loves to see an annoying redneck die) *the deadites are around there for constant attacks on all parties including F and J * maybe throw in a few local police (and of course, one female cop that'll survive til the end with ash....bleeeugh...) *Somehow get Freddy and/or Jason alerted to the fact that if Ash succeeds, their ass is history, again....so, they would of course stop fighting, and go after Ash and co. *Oh yeah, glad I just remembered this one…I have seen many posts saying that Ash just isn’t “superhuman” enough to be a “contender” against F or J…There’s also a lot of talk about how “Evil Ash” would potentially be more of a hard-case (not that I myself agree to this) to take on. First of all, Ash is a pretty resourceful guy, and has quiet the demon headcount to his name, remember this. However, a lot of ppl that have been posting have forgotten about yet another Ash, the “Deadite Ash” from ED2…Now, the deadite strength IS pretty superhuman isn’t it? IF somehow Ash could find a passage in the book that could turn him into this this more powerful form, AND allow him to control himself while in it, I THINK THAT WOULD BE COOL, (but he would definitely need a new look, the last deadite ash looked kinda stupid…maybe a hybrid between Ash and deadite) not to mention the fact that he could then potentially be seen as a “familiar”, and also have influence over the other deadites, adding to his advantage. *Another (albeit far fetched) idea I had after re-reading through this myself, is again about Ash attempting to find some "solution" in the book.... what if he Fucked up YET ANOTHER incantation, and throughout the film, he transmutes between Ash, Evil Ash, and Deadite/Ash hybrid?? THAT, I'm sure would settle all your posted arguments about which Ash would hold his own against F and J best.... *And here's a great idea....how about making it A LITTLE DAMN LONGER than the first one?? Alright, so, I know I haven’t exactly written a complete screenplay here, but I just had to let you guys know of a few ideas I’ve had flying around in my head, please, let me know what you all think, and I’d also love to hear some of your ideas on future posts too… PEACE! :cool: 
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11-27-2003, 11:28 PM
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Damn bitch, what ya trin' to do? Blind us with all the sentences!?
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11-28-2003, 12:56 AM
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seriously man....
Hey, I asked for input....does anyone who's NOT the guy above have anything useful to say?
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11-28-2003, 01:08 PM
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first off i think your ideas are good, way better than most ive heard. if ash is the 3rd than this is how i think things will go:
first off freddy and jason were not in hell, but in jasons dream. reason: the kids put jason to sleep with the shit that was in those needles and somehow those kids got dragged in his dream. now in the sequal to freddy vs jason, the 2 kids that survived as well as jason will wake up. while they try to kill jason ( neither of them will die yet, they'll prolly meet up with ash later in the movie) freddy returns to hell seeking reinforcements and who better then the deadites? he will bring them back in the same manner as he did with jason. the kids realizing their in over their head decide to run ( the deadites will follow and so will jason) probably to some nearby town where innocent kids are at a rave party, fucking in the woods or smoking pot, will get dragged in to all this while freddy, jason and the deadites tear up hell ash whereever he'll be will "sense" that something is amiss. he'll get the book, take care of the cabin and the rednecks and find a way to make hisself stronger (he'll "sense" that the situation is to big for his mortal human body to handle) he'll also find a way to some how zap hisself or w/e to the exact location of the chaos. he'll meet up with the 2 kids and whomever else is involved together they'll come up with a plan to stop freddy, jason, and the deadites (im not quite sure how they'll do it, maybe you guys have some input on this) they'll kill the deadites, jason, and freddy and a few of them will die as well (ash will survive and im guessing 1 of the 2 kids that survived in the first movie will die as well) jason will go back 2 sleep, the deadites back to hell and freddy will be pissed becasue his second plan didnt work, so he will seek someone else (michael myers, chucky, characters from hellraiser who knows) and make the 3rd part to the freddy vs jason series (eventually the name will be changed to something like freddy and pinhead vs michael and jason or something else) my guess is eventually every killer from every horror series ever made will find his or her way into this series and everytime it will get better. your input, opinons, or comments are welcomed tell me what you think :)
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11-30-2003, 05:04 PM
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How many time most I tell people this! Ash, no matter why form, will never be even the slightest nuesence to Freddy nore Jason in that matter! If you ask me they need to keep it 'FREDDY VS JASON" without adding any-other character! I mean you have two evilist, strongest, best, coolist, greatest killers ever to be seen in histroy of movies and your talking about toseing in some weak ass bitch like Ash, or tossing in someone like MM (Can't spell his name, hes the one from Halloween) who, as we all should know, would be killed in less then a minite in the dream world, and less then 4 minites in the real would with Freddy and/or Jason! And talking about Freddy and Jason teaming up to fight against Ash or anyone else is just plain stupid, unneed, unheard of, and by far the most worthless and lame and even stupid thing to do! Because both Freddy and Jason could kill Ash of just about anyone else with ease!
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11-30-2003, 05:54 PM
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I say we add someone who has a chance. Maybe Pinhead or Myers?
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11-30-2003, 07:19 PM
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If the horror movie writer was realistic....he probably wouldn't be making horror, would he? At least not the kind of horror "f vs J" comes into...and, yknow, winning a fight against guys like Freddy or Jason isn't about really how weak OR strong OR superhuman you are...but how RESOURCEFUL you are....are you guys even considering every SINGLE nightmare or Friday movie of the past? 'Cos you know, the character that always beats them in the end, is, in fact, a "mere mortal" that comes up with a plan....a human, that's it....so, if these "people" can end up beating Freddy OR Jason (even if only temporarily til the NEXT sequel), wouldn't a character like Ash, who's pretty damn resourceful, is usually packing things like chainsaws and shotguns, and has slayed himself more than a few demons, be more than enough of a contender? think about it. read my first post in here if you haven't already....and, you know....go for the freakin' underdog for once....us relating to a more human character is what makes good horror usually anyway. PEaCE
Last edited by cheebacheeba; 11-30-2003 at 07:29 PM.
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11-30-2003, 07:46 PM
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LOL and Leather Face wouldnt do any damage ur fuckin insane leather would hack jasons bitch ass up as so with freddy
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12-01-2003, 12:53 AM
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yo thanks Leatha...you rock, baby....
And obviously you're not one of the little "mortal hatin'" bitches either...I agree, a chainsaw decapitation aint something I can see Freddy OR Jason really walking away from and both Ash (although he'd need a new one, remember, he swapped it for the metal hand thingy in AOD) AND the 'face could probably come up with the goods on that kinda mission....Still, when you look at it, alot of ppl that r posting in here seem to be basing their "who the winner would be" statements on strength only....look at 95% of any horror/splatter films you've ever seen...the Heavy hitters get brought down by people/beings that simply outsmart them, so it has always been, so shall it always be...
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12-01-2003, 01:00 PM
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Oh you both are so dumb.
If you actually think Leatherface has a chance in hell against Jason or Freddy your fukcing dreaming. LEATHERFACE IS A FUKCING HUMAN. He is a fat, crazed moron who is HUMAN!!! Jason is a zombie and Freddy is a demon. You know what that means? NOT HUMAN. And if you actually knew anything about Horror you would realize that no human ACTUALLY kills Freddy or Jason. They are eternal and they always come back. Since Leatherface is human, once he get's killed, he's done forever. No special powers or features. Leatherface was just some fucked up Human who had a chainsaw. Once he falls asleep he is in Freddy's zone, and since he is human he could not take the punishment Jason was taking in F v. J. Freddy totally destroys Leatherface. Plus there will be no lousy ass teens saving Leatherface's ass. Freddy is also too smart and powerful in the dreamworld for Leather to handle. Leatherface would walk up with his stupid Chainsaw and Jason would hack that fucking shit away since he is so much bigger and stronger and would rip Leatherfaces fat head off. Jason is too inhumanly strong. Leatherface, Myers, and Ash cannot match up with the powers of Freddy and Jason, as long as stupid teens don't interefere, but either way Freddy and Jason could take all.
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