Abortion: Yay or Nay?

[bloodrayne]

So...What about the fathers?...The baby is just as much theirs as it is the mother's...What if they feel that they aren't ready to be fathers, or they want to finish college without the irritation of raising their baby, or whatever other reason people come up with...Shouldn't the father have just as much right to demand that the baby be killed?...Or what if the father WANTS the baby?...Can't he demand that it not be killed?...I mean it IS his child...But, I guess as long as people see the baby as a part of the woman's body, the father can have no say about what happens to HIS child...Kind of a double standard wouldn't you say?

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by Gothic-chick
who said I would abandon my sister??? I never said that...... And I never said I hated anyone. Learn to read !


They are my opinions , opinions YOU asked for

You spoke of her as if she was less than human. If that's not abandonment, at least at heart, then I don't know what is.

I'm done with this crap. This thread should be nuked.

MODS: If you read this, please nuke this thread. Thanks.

[fluffho]

dont nuke it that would be gay

just dont argue any more. who cares.

[ShankS]

thats why I've been avoiding this thread, the topic is far to controversial atm, since it's a much talked about debate in the media, especially in the Uk.

[Stingy Jack]

Well, at the time that it happened she and I had just gotten married. I was still in school and working the night shift at a gas station and she was scooping ice cream at Bask Robbins. We both had minimum wage jobs, and could barely make the rent on our two bedroom trailer.
Eating baloney sandwiches everyday would have been a luxury! As it was, I could only afford to buy discounted junk food at the convenience store, and only ate when I worked. My wife ate ramen noodles and cereal. We did not have the luxury of moving back in with our parents because my mother had just gone through a divorce and had to move into a place large enough to simply accomodate her. My mother-in-law was a widow on a fixed income and she, too, had a one-bedroom place. So yes, we chose abortion (you use the term "killed your baby" so emotionally, I love it. But, I like to keep discussions in the realm of reason) because having the baby would have meant that I would have to drop out of school, thus dooming us both to dead-end jobs that we couldn't live off of. Let alone properly raise a child with.

I suppose we could have gone on welfare, but we were not about to make tax payers help us pay for our child. Going on welfare would have made me and my wife both ceritfiable hypocrites, thus taking away the last shred of dignity I had.

As far as thanking God goes ... no. I thank my father for having a good enough job to be able to afford two kids.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Well, I haven't flamed anyone, even though my wife and I were indirectly called stupid, lazy and immature.

I guess I would be quilty of calling you those things indeirectly, eh? Sorry. No offense intended. But with a topic like this, some generalizations are going to made by all parties involved.

I do not think you are stupid at all. (Quite the opposite, in fact.)
I don't know if you're lazy, but you probably aren't. (Considering you have a good job in the real world.)
I don't know if you were immature at that point in your life or not and I probably never will.

It's sad to me that you had to do that, but I'm glad for the two of you that you seem to be dealing with it okay.

Those were broad generalizations I made, and obviously, they aren't going to apply in every scenario. Accidents happen. BUT, if you wanted to be extra safe, the female could go on the pill, the male could wear a condom. That's about as safe as you can get without abstaining altogether (or having an operation).

[fluffho]

how about all those single mothers who can barely afford to keep their cihldren? if theyre not working all day, they are living off of welfare. how is that any better? kids majority of which drop out of school and end up in gangs...

i aint havin kids until im ready. until i can properly take care of them, have a good amount of money saved up just in case something were to happen. and to be able to feed him/her a lot more than just bologna or ramen, them shits are soo unhealthy.

call it murder whatever yuo want. thats what im gonna do as well as with others. not even that yuo can call it murder, there is no malice. id much rather have a 6 week old fetus destroyed than to watch a cihld grow up in some trash home with parents who can barely care for themselves.

[Egekrusher]

Stingy, Fluff, Bwind, I congratulate all of you on well thought out and articulate posts.

Stingy- Cases like that are why abortion should be legal (completely).

Bwind- I already forgot what you posted. :(

Fluff- Same here. If I were to get someone pregnant right now, I wouldn't be able to afford it. Plain and simple. I can barely afford to feed myself.

[Arioch]

Im all about the government staying OUT of my life....and others life.... pro personal choice! Fuck the goverment that tells us what to do with our own BODIES!!

[fluffho]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
Stingy, Fluff, Bwind, I congratulate all of you on well thought out and articulate posts.

OMG. I ACTUALLY MADE A GOOD POST!

:D maybe my grammar isnt all there but i think the content is understandable!

im not gonna call anyone stupid/lazy/whaatever for having/not having an abortion or their thoughts on it. i DO find it stupid though someone make a generalization on someone simply on this..

god im sexy

mort imporantly, whether a woman has or does NOT have an abortion, believ it or not.. either way it IS in the best intereest of the child (just in different ways, obviosuyl). again.. NO malice! (not to say there arent exceptions)