Random Thoughts...

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally Posted by Sculpt

I would never become a theist, atheist, or agnostic, because some human threw me out of class. You know, that is, I don't know that anger is a useful tool in deciding if, what or who "God" is.

Nah not angry at all. I just questioned why we have souls and animals don't... we were both created by god have feelings, interact with other beings etc.

It was then as a kid I began to realize that the whole idea of God is a bit suspect and the bible was being used or interpreted to further people's agendas.

Guess it just sewed the seeds for rational thinking is what I was meaning.

[Sculpt]

Ah, I got ya. Things people say or what we read most assuredly effect our directions.

The getting thrown out of class for questioning a metaphysical position still surprises me. Curious, when the instructor threw you out of class, what did you actually say (or do)?

In my head, just imagining,

Instructor: "Humans have souls, and animals do not."
Elvis: "Teacher? Isn't it possible animals have souls?"
Instructor: "Elvis! Report to the principals office!"

That scenario would really shock me. Did it go down like that? Or were there more appreciable reasons?

[roshiq]

Originally Posted by Despare

There are actually more reports of animal ghosts then you would think, they just aren't as interesting. You can try to talk to ghostly people but what's a ghost dog going to do?

"If you're in the room with us, sit... lie down... roll over."

lolz!

Lately one night, after having the dinner with the family when I was going back to my apartment upstairs, I just don't know why but I had this wonderfully creepy feeling that there's a big, pitch-black dog following me on the stairs!

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally Posted by Sculpt

That scenario would really shock me. Did it go down like that? Or were there more appreciable reasons?

The dude basically had no answers and got angry that I would dare question what was said in the bible.

[fortunato]

Holy shit, Elvis and Murderdoll. It's good to see you round here.

[Despare]

Originally Posted by Elvis_Christ

The dude basically had no answers and got angry that I would dare question what was said in the bible.

That's weird though because the whole soul into animals thing is discussed pretty in-depth in the bible.

[ChronoGrl]

I'm not sure how I feel about the concept of the "Soul." I like the concept, but the cynic in me says that we're all just flesh and blood and nothing. That consciousness comes from that lumpy grey matter at the top of my head.

That being said, if humans have souls then I believe that animals have souls. My cats sing the blues with MD's dog.

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But I was dropping in on this thread to articulate a more base and immediate matter - Just found out that at work I'm getting moved from one Team and my current Manager to another Team and a new Manager. Yes, I realize that reorgs happen all the time, but they literally made the reverse move about six months ago. Six months ago I was reporting to D and then they moved me under A. Just today A told me that I'll be moved back under D again.

Honestly, I like working for both of these people, so the shift doesn't bother me per se - I'm just worried that the reason why I'm getting moved around is that my department doesn't know what to do with me, which is concerning.

I was literally updating my resume to apply for another job inside the company when A told me I'll be moving back under D again. Couldn't decide if I wanted to go through with the application because I didn't want to offend D (plus I'm hoping that the move will offer more opportunities) - But still.

*sigh*

:shocked:

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Just needed to get that out. Feel free to ignore.

On the plus side, I've lost enough weight where I can fit into a size jeans that I haven't been able to fit into for 4 years or so!

[hammerfan]

I prefer to look at it as you're so talented they're not quite sure where to place you!

[Sculpt]

Originally Posted by ChronoGrl

I'm not sure how I feel about the concept of the "Soul." I like the concept, but the cynic in me says that we're all just flesh and blood and nothing. That consciousness comes from that lumpy grey matter at the top of my head.

That being said, if humans have souls then I believe that animals have souls. My cats sing the blues with MD's dog.

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But I was dropping in on this thread to articulate a more base and immediate matter - Just found out that at work I'm getting moved from one Team and my current Manager to another Team and a new Manager. Yes, I realize that reorgs happen all the time, but they literally made the reverse move about six months ago. Six months ago I was reporting to D and then they moved me under A. Just today A told me that I'll be moved back under D again.

Honestly, I like working for both of these people, so the shift doesn't bother me per se - I'm just worried that the reason why I'm getting moved around is that my department doesn't know what to do with me, which is concerning.

I was literally updating my resume to apply for another job inside the company when A told me I'll be moving back under D again. Couldn't decide if I wanted to go through with the application because I didn't want to offend D (plus I'm hoping that the move will offer more opportunities) - But still.

*sigh*

:shocked:

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Just needed to get that out. Feel free to ignore.

On the plus side, I've lost enough weight where I can fit into a size jeans that I haven't been able to fit into for 4 years or so!

Now that you're being moved back to your old position/team, are you also changing shifts? For most people changing shifts is a huge deal.

If you don't know why you are being moved back to that team, and it's been about 6 months, I'd assume it's for staffing needs. I'd certainly not assume it has something negative to do with you. On the contrary, it probably has to do with how proven useful you were to the prior team.

Still, you are certainly in your right to ask your new team manager why you were moved back. The managers surely assume you are going to ask. Might as well ask, as you're curious, and I'd say important info as to your current status in the company.

[Sculpt]

Originally Posted by Elvis_Christ

The dude basically had no answers and got angry that I would dare question what was said in the bible.

Gocha. I don't know how old you are, but I'm sure you already know the old proverb "it's not what you say, but how you say it" - which of course means instructors, and most anyone, is open to questions and other thoughts if it's addressed respectfully -- it matters what words are used and how they are said. Most unreasonable/insane instructors are removed in short time, but sometimes you're the person who witnesses those people before they are found and removed.

Originally Posted by Despare

That's weird though because the whole soul into animals thing is discussed pretty in-depth in the bible.

Indeed it does. Interestingly enough, many books of the Bible read animals do have souls... references to numerous to list them all. Really, with the Bible, and any book, it's all about the context as to what the word means, and what's being said. Plucking "verses" out of any book are often misleading. There are multiple meanings to soul in these references.

Genesis and other books read both animals and humankind have souls, referring simply to "having life". In addition, Genesis makes it clear God made humankind was special and different than animals... Gen 1:26-27: "God said, 'Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.' So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."

Of course what MurderDoll was referring to is whether or not animals have a soul that exists apart of the body, or after the body dies. As a whole, the books of the Bible do not indicate animals have "that type of soul". Ecclesiastes (the first existential book, I like to say. truly a great book) 3:21 does read, "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?". But again, it's about that sentence's context (which is often poetic, and not necessarily literal), in that book, and then the Bible as a whole.

The books of the Bible do not specify there will not be an afterlife, eternal life, heavenly or spiritual life for animals. In Revelation's description of a New Earth, it doesn't reference animals, but it's certainly possible. Bible reads God determines our afterlife. If an individual desired an animal in that "new reality", I'd suggest it's certainly possible any animal could be restored.

The books of the Bible do reference humans having a body, soul and spirit (though some will interpret some scripture that God bestows a spirit only to some humans through Jeshua Messiah) . The difference between them is a whole other subject. But the Bible is clear in referencing that God offers humans eternal life.

I found this, I find it a well written and accurate synopsis answering the question Do Animals Have Souls? according to the Bible http://www.apologeticspress.org/apco...11&article=582