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08-02-2004, 03:17 PM
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very well written Stingy...and i'm sure a lot of thought was put into that...verry good, now more people should understand atheists more, or the perspective of it
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You are my life I love you Brittany "Then i'm gonna get a keychain attached to my balls so i always know where my keys and my balls are" - Dennis Leary The end of loss brings a new world order In society, the government lables us "Americans" to represent ourselves In a land of non-freedom With the "Freedom" of speech, we still get denied our rights to speak our mind Nothing but a bunch of old time fascists wanting nothing more than to stop the idea of ideas. Ideas build us, build us inside Everyday someones getting stuck in a cell for a crime they did not commit Since when is opinion against the law, against the rights of society? 
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The reason being that God is willing to forgive sins. All the atheist would need to do to join the sinner in Heaven would be to ask God for forgiveness. (Since he is an atheist, he probably wouldn't do that, but in theory, he could be right there side by side with the sinner in Heaven just by asking God to forgive him.) The atheist's refusal to acknowledge/believe in God is what will end up costing him in the end (In Christianity's viewpoint). It's not that they couldn't ask God to forgive their sins, it's that wouldn't.
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Jesus died for us...
Man, we are all lucky...Jesus died for our sins...If he wouldn't have been killed then we would all go to hell....
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08-02-2004, 05:42 PM
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Very good points stingy, and Bwind....i consistently enjoy reading BOTH of your posts on controversial issues around the board....You both are the model for posters on both sides of the issues.....goodform guys....
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08-02-2004, 05:53 PM
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ALright smarty pants religious hooligans, Answere me this
Gos is all powerful right God is all loving right God is perfect right All loving meaning not wanting us people to know or feel evil or hate or negative things. Why then would he allow a world that lets evil exists? Free will you say? Well then if he is all powerful than he could make a world without evil but still have free will. Answere? He is either not all powerful, all loving, or not perfect. As far as all this atheist just want to be different? Don't make me laugh, Just because YOU have to conform and be a mindless drone doesn't mean that all us no believers just want to be different. It could be perhaps *gasp* that we arn't so easily pulled into conformity by the masses and convinced of such fantasy and nonsence as that of which the Bible tells us.
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ARTHUR: Old woman! DENNIS:Man! ARTHUR:Man. Sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there? DENNIS:I'm thirty-seven. ARTHUR:I-- what? DENNIS:I'm thirty-seven. I'm not old. ARTHUR:Well, I can't just call you 'Man'. DENNIS:Well, you could say 'Dennis'. ARTHUR:Well, I didn't know you were called 'Dennis'. DENNIS:Well, you didn't bother to find out, did you? ARTHUR:I did say 'sorry' about the 'old woman', but from the behind you looked-- DENNIS:What I object to is that you automatically treat me like an inferior! ARTHUR:Well, I am King! DENNIS:Oh, King, eh, very nice. And how d'you get that, eh? By exploiting the workers! By 'anging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society. If there's ever going to be any progress with the-- WOMAN: Dennis, there's some lovely filth down here. Oh! How d'you do? ARTHUR:How do you do, good lady? I am Arthur, King of the Britons. Who's castle is that? WOMAN:King of the who? ARTHUR:The Britons. WOMAN:Who are the Britons? ARTHUR:Well, we all are. We are all Britons, and I am your king. WOMAN:I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective. DENNIS:You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship: a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes-- WOMAN:Oh, there you go bringing class into it again. DENNIS:That's what it's all about. If only people would hear of-- ARTHUR:Please! Please, good people. I am in haste. Who lives in that castle? WOMAN:No one lives there. ARTHUR:Then who is your lord? WOMAN:We don't have a lord. ARTHUR:What? DENNIS:I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week,... ARTHUR:Yes. DENNIS:...but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting... ARTHUR:Yes, I see. DENNIS:...by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,... ARTHUR:Be quiet! DENNIS:...but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major-- ARTHUR:Be quiet! I order you to be quiet! WOMAN:Order, eh? Who does he think he is? Heh. ARTHUR:I am your king! WOMAN:Well, I didn't vote for you. ARTHUR:You don't vote for kings. WOMAN:Well, how did you become King, then? ARTHUR:The Lady of the Lake,... [angels sing] ...her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am your king! DENNIS:Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. ARTHUR:Be quiet! DENNIS:Well, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you! ARTHUR:Shut up! DENNIS:I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away! ARTHUR:Shut up, will you? Shut up! DENNIS:Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system. ARTHUR:Shut up! DENNIS:Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed! ARTHUR:Bloody peasant! DENNIS:Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?
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You are my life I love you Brittany "Then i'm gonna get a keychain attached to my balls so i always know where my keys and my balls are" - Dennis Leary The end of loss brings a new world order In society, the government lables us "Americans" to represent ourselves In a land of non-freedom With the "Freedom" of speech, we still get denied our rights to speak our mind Nothing but a bunch of old time fascists wanting nothing more than to stop the idea of ideas. Ideas build us, build us inside Everyday someones getting stuck in a cell for a crime they did not commit Since when is opinion against the law, against the rights of society?
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look my boyfriend started this thread and i wish he didnt b/c everything discussed in this thread i have delt with in either school, with my holy roller relatives, or with just random assholes about religion. i cant stand it. religion and god and the bible shit to me is a bunch of bullshit. plain and simple. god or whoever the fuck is the supreme being hasnt done jack shit for me. ive gone through relatives dyin of horrible diseases to my own shit. for example im goin on my 4th knee surgery from a school injury.
WHERE THE FUCK HAS GOD BEEN THIS WHOLE TIME IM IN PAIN PLAYING BRIDGE WITH LUCY AND ETHEL?!? WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO PRAY THAT I DONT HAVE ARTHRITUS??! I MEAN CMON, WTF!?! IF THERE WAS SOMEONE LIKE GOD OR WHATEVER THAN BAD SHIT LIKE THIS WOULDNT HAPPEN TO ANYONE. IF THERE IS A GOD THEN WTF IS HE DOING WHEN PEOPLE ARE DYING OF AIDS, CANCER, FATHEM(SP?), AND SO MANY MORE HORRIFFIC DISEASES AND PROBLEMS ON THIS SHIT PLANET! this is why i havent believed in any religion or any god for at least 9 years, maybe more;and im only 16 yrs old. so what does that tell you. it tells me that if there is a god then he better get the fuck off his fat ass and do something with this fucking world. we have wars, death, starvation and it just doesnt have to be, if there is a god he better get his ass in gear and fix this shit. im just sick of hearing religion bullshit. ive heard it all my life because my parents didnt put me throught ccd or communion or conformation or what ever the fuck that shit is. and if not attending church or ccd has made me an atheist then fine. i am what i am. IF ANYONE DOESNT LIKE IT, THEN FUCK OFF.
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08-02-2004, 08:02 PM
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For the atheist, there is no "good" and "evil" outside of human perception. We term things "good" and "evil" according to how they affect us. Therefore, if we were not here, good and evil would not be here either. For example, I watched my cat practically torture a mouse for half an hour before finally doing it in. It was horrifying, and I felt bad for the mouse ... but, I wasn't about to touch it and it needed to get its ass out of my house. I would not say that my cat was evil. Nor would I say that my cat was good if it left the mouse alone. BUT .... if I saw a person treating a mouse inhumanely just for amusement's sake, then I would likely call that person "evil." See? "Good" and "evil" are judgement terms used simply to describe human beings in relation to their actions. No people ... no "good" and "evil."
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you always now what to say don't ya stingy:D
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