Abortion: Yay or Nay?

[HappyCamper]

i'm personally against abortion in all cases, but heres why:

A) One of my best friends is the result of a rape.

B) I personally think it's immoral.

C) If my girlfriend were to become pregnant I wouldn't want here to have an abortion (it's my baby too!)

I am however a Libertarian, which means I believe that it's up to the individual person to decide whether an abortion is immoral. I would never force my girlfriend not to have an abortion, I would just advise her against it, adoption in my opinion is a far better option.

[Gothic-chick]

Originally posted by orangestar
Just a hypothetical question: What would happen if your daughter got pregnant, either accidentally or by being raped, and she told you that she wanted to have an abortion. I mean if she was really really adamant about getting one, she had thought it through in a mature way and came to the decision that her baby would not have a good life growing up this way. Would you still force her to have the child?

I wouldn't have to, She wouldn't ever consider abortion an option. I am her mother and because of that fact she has been taught the same values and morals I believe in.

Also she is way too young to make a mature decision. My job as a parent is to guide her and help her to make choices she is too young to make herself. That's one of the things that separate children from adults, the ability to see the consequences of our actions and thinking about the future.

Having said all of that it's hard to answer your question since my daughter would never make that choice. But hypothetically speaking I would never ever under any circumstances let her kill her baby.

[Egekrusher]

I really regret making this thread. If only I could take it back and not have to hear all of your opinions. I think most of you are very open minded... but there are some that it seems would have us go back to the Dark Ages morally.

[fluffho]

my friend just had an abortion at 6 weeks.

she said 'yeh i saw the baby. it was a little worm. but it was my worm'

made her sad but now way in hell was she gonna have that kid. she still has 2 years of college left

[Gothic-chick]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
You've never had a child under those circumstances, so you couldn't POSSIBLY know.

Also, I wasn't saying that you should force your child to abort. I'm saying that you should let her decide, and support whatever decision she makes.

No I have never had a child resulting from rape. But I was raped and had the possibility of being pregnant and plenty of time to think about it before knowing I wasn't. I can say with absolute certainty I would NOT have chosen abortion.

A 13 year old girl is nowhere near mature enough to make a decision like that. As a parent I would and should make it for her. It's cut and dry for me and my family. Abortion is never an option no matter the conception.

I know someone who got pregnant at 17 and didn't tell her parents.She didn't tell anyone at all except the father. She thought she made the right choice and at 17 walked into a clinic where 30 year old adults took her baby from her body with no parental consent.

To this day she suffers the agonizing pain of what she did. Her regret is not telling her parents who she knew would not have allowed it to happen. She told me about it all when she was 38. She is 40 years old now with no children. She feels undeserving of being a mother.

It ruined her life totally. She gave up on all of her dreams and ambitions. All because of that decision she was way too young to make on her own. She is married to the father of that baby. Their lives are a total mess. They agonize daily about the choice they made. They think they will burn in hell for what they did.

She tells me that they have both had nightmares of that baby crying for them. They see that baby in all of their neices and nephews.

That someone is my sister. I love her to death and she killed her baby. Plain and simple she killed her baby. Nothing will ever change my mind about abortion. It will and does ruin lives.

[Gothic-chick]

Originally posted by fluffho
my friend just had an abortion at 6 weeks.

she said 'yeh i saw the baby. it was a little worm. but it was my worm'

made her sad but now way in hell was she gonna have that kid. she still has 2 years of college left

what a selfish and stupid girl.......

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by Gothic-chick
No I have never had a child resulting from rape. But I was raped and had the possibility of being pregnant and plenty of time to think about it before knowing I wasn't. I can say with absolute certainty I would NOT have chosen abortion.

A 13 year old girl is nowhere near mature enough to make a decision like that. As a parent I would and should make it for her. It's cut and dry for me and my family. Abortion is never an option no matter the conception.

I know someone who got pregnant at 17 and didn't tell her parents.She didn't tell anyone at all except the father. She thought she made the right choice and at 17 walked into a clinic where 30 year old adults took her baby from her body with no parental consent.

To this day she suffers the agonizing pain of what she did. Her regret is not telling her parents who she knew would not have allowed it to happen. She told me about it all when she was 38. She is 40 years old now with no children. She feels undeserving of being a mother.

It ruined her life totally. She gave up on all of her dreams and ambitions. All because of that decision she was way too young to make on her own. She is married to the father of that baby. Their lives are a total mess. They agonize daily about the choice they made. They think they will burn in hell for what they did.

She tells me that they have both had nightmares of that baby crying for them. They see that baby in all of their neices and nephews.

That someone is my sister. I love her to death and she killed her baby. Plain and simple she killed her baby. Nothing will ever change my mind about abortion. It will and does ruin lives.

Meh... As I have already said, my wife got pregnant once before we were ready to have a child. We were careful, used birth control, but it happened. We could not afford to have the baby, and we also could not afford her taking time off from work to carry the baby to term and go through recovery. We both agreed that abortion was the only option, under the circumstances. And we went through with it. She does not regret it, she is not miserable, our lives are not destroyed ... at least, not in the way they would have been had we decided to keep the baby. And this is when we both mature enough to make decisions on our own. You can call us stupid, lazy, or what have you. But, the fact remains that we were careful. We used birth control, and it fucking happened anyway. And don't you sit there and tell me that I should not have sex with my wife if I wasn't ready to have a baby. Do you plan to have a kid every time you have sex with your spouse? Remember, we were protected! So, what's good for some people is not for others. Just because your friend feels she made the wrong choice, and allows herself to dwell in that misery, does not mean that the service is not helpful for others.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by Gothic-chick
No I have never had a child resulting from rape. But I was raped and had the possibility of being pregnant and plenty of time to think about it before knowing I wasn't. I can say with absolute certainty I would NOT have chosen abortion.

A 13 year old girl is nowhere near mature enough to make a decision like that. As a parent I would and should make it for her. It's cut and dry for me and my family. Abortion is never an option no matter the conception.

I know someone who got pregnant at 17 and didn't tell her parents.She didn't tell anyone at all except the father. She thought she made the right choice and at 17 walked into a clinic where 30 year old adults took her baby from her body with no parental consent.

To this day she suffers the agonizing pain of what she did. Her regret is not telling her parents who she knew would not have allowed it to happen. She told me about it all when she was 38. She is 40 years old now with no children. She feels undeserving of being a mother.

It ruined her life totally. She gave up on all of her dreams and ambitions. All because of that decision she was way too young to make on her own. She is married to the father of that baby. Their lives are a total mess. They agonize daily about the choice they made. They think they will burn in hell for what they did.

She tells me that they have both had nightmares of that baby crying for them. They see that baby in all of their neices and nephews.

That someone is my sister. I love her to death and she killed her baby. Plain and simple she killed her baby. Nothing will ever change my mind about abortion. It will and does ruin lives.

That is YOUR choice and YOUR opinions. The fact that you would abandon your sister because of that speaks volumes about what you are really like. You are just as selfish as the people you claim to hate.

I didn't start the name calling, YOU did. And if you think that you'll finish it, you are DEAD wrong.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by Gothic-chick
what a selfish and stupid girl.......

See my last post for my thoughts on that. You feel the need to aggrivate and agitate the situation even more than it already is? WHY? You don't know this girl, and you certainly don't know the person that made this post. Yet you just insulted both of them with your reply.

I have a feeling you're not even really a goth chick. You may wish you were, but that's just not the case. You sound as if you were 500 years old.

[Egekrusher]

I know I said I regretted making this thread/flame war. But I will back my opinions, and the opinions of the people I consider to be my friends, to the bitter end.

Gothic-chick, you just made yourself an enemy. Congratulations. I'm the last person you want to battle.