Abortion: Yay or Nay?

[Egekrusher]

So you don't believe in it, even in extreme circumstances such as rape or incest? If you really think about it, do you believe that you could live with a reminder of what happened to you every single day? Personally, every time I looked at that child it would remind me of what had happened, and I would grow to resent him/her.

[Vodstok]

I have made my feelings on this one clear months ago when this subject turned into a flame war with Vamprocker, who started suggesting the pro-choicers might deserve to be blown up.

Murder or not, making it illegal solves nothing and hurts more people than it helps. i have been personally affected by this (no, i was not the father), and it is very sad and sickening. The woman who had it is now the mother of 2 and loves her kids more than most, but she wasnt ready at the time.

Do i think she did it for the wrong reason? Absolutely. The same person has a daughter she will never meet because that one was adopted. SHould she close her legs? Hell yes! Will she? probably not. Birth control, plain and simple. We need to stop letting religions tell their members to NOT use it. Sorry, but the pope is an idiot. Sex advice should not come from a virgin in his 70s, end of story.


Absinance is a wonderful, unrealistic and completely implausible dream. And i say Bush is an idiot for stating that is "the way" to prevent unwanted pregnancy and AIDS. Sure, it works (like stingy said) on paper, but so does communism, which also doesnt work in real life. Education, and readily available birth control is the ONLY way. Abortion is an option, just not a very good one.

My practical side is what i use to make my decisions. Dont think for a second that i am not moral. BUT, in 20 years when we are struggling against inflation and lack of resources, i dont want to see ANYONE with a pro-life sticker complaining about the situation. The last major depression we had was in the 30s. We are due for another real soon. The 2030s are less than 30 years away now.

Let me put it this way. If someone has low self-esteem, they SHOULD opt for councilling and/or a support group for help. But many/most dont. they go out and get their tits fixed, and their gut liposuctioned, and then feel better about themselves. I hate to draw parralels, but its the same thing. Also, what tends to get ignored is that women dont just walk in and say "I'm pregnant! I need and abortion!" and then the doctor jumps out and yells "Fire up the vacuum, lets see if we can kill this kid and get this slut out the door."

There is a great deal of counciling that they are at least SUPPOSED to be put through to see if this is really the decision they want to make. Perhaps rather than blowing up clinics, the pro-lifers should be explaining WHY they want to help these girls with their problem. (and actually help, not stick a picture of a dead fetus in her face and call her a fucking murderer when she hasnt even DONE it yet)

But it is easier to sit on a high horse and condemn people for making what is usually the hardest decision in their life... They never seem to want to help, just point the finger.

And they are not all "Skanks"... What about a nice girl who goes out with a guy, finally sleeps with him and gets knocked up? Could have even been wearing protection and the condomn broke. Continue to believe what you believe, because you will anyway, but THINK about the situation more, rather than just writing off as an "easy" fix for sluts and whores who cant be bothered to wear a rubber. Dont condemn the innocent majority for the failings of others.


And for the record, i wish women would more often choose to have the kid, or be more careful, but i am a guy. Its not something i will ever have to deal with personally.

[Egekrusher]

The topic doesn't bode well with me either. I'm as sterile as latex gloves. I wish I could have children, but it will never happen.

If I had the choice, I would definitely have children. But even with that counting against me, I still think women should have the choice.

[orangestar]

Not all that many females have voted, so I'll say what I think.

I think that women should only have abortions when rape, incest, or a risk to the mother occurs. I know that if I was raped (especially now, at age 15) that not only would I not be responsible enough to have a child, but I wouldnt want a constant reminder of being raped.

I think if your condom breaks, you should have to deal with it. That sounds more harsh than I wanted it too, but you get the general idea. Adoption is one option, but keeping it will always be the best option IMO.

[Gothic-chick]

I think it is such bullshit when people use abortion as a form of birth control. Seems everyone who murders their baby because they weren't ready, or didn't have enough money, or blah blah blah comes up with their own rational for why they killed their child... WHY IS IT THAT THEY THINK WHEN THEY DON'T WANT IT, IT"S JUST TISSUE AND WHEN THEY DO WANT IT IT'S A BABY?????

As a woman who has had children I can tell you that from the moment of conception, that baby is alive and growing. I've heard my Childs heartbeat and seen ultrasound picks as early as 4 weeks into pregnancy.

I think it is the saddest thing in the world to hear someone say they had an abortion because they weren't ready to have a baby. WTF? It has been 13 years since the birth of my fist child. (totally unplanned) During that time my husband have had sex a million times, our birth control being my dude knows how to control himself if you get my point.

Only when we decided to have another child did I become pregnant again. It only took one try because I know my body and when I'm ovulating. It's simple science people, 14 days after the first day of your period, give or take a few in either direction.
Abortion is not birth control and anyone who uses it because they're too selfish, or stupid to prevent pregnancy should be ashamed of themselves and I am sure at one time on their life when they finally grow up and realize what life is all about will live in a world of pain and regret for killing their child.

[orangestar]

Originally posted by Gothic-chick
I think it is such bullshit when people use abortion as a form of birth control. Seems everyone who murders their baby because they weren't ready, or didn't have enough money, or blah blah blah comes up with their own rational for why they killed their child... WHY IS IT THAT THEY THINK WHEN THEY DON'T WANT IT, IT"S JUST TISSUE AND WHEN THEY DO WANT IT IT'S A BABY?????

As a woman who has had children I can tell you that from the moment of conception, that baby is alive and growing. I've heard my Childs heartbeat and seen ultrasound picks as early as 4 weeks into pregnancy.

I think it is the saddest thing in the world to hear someone say they had an abortion because they weren't ready to have a baby. WTF? It has been 13 years since the birth of my fist child. (totally unplanned) During that time my husband have had sex a million times, our birth control being my dude knows how to control himself if you get my point.

Only when we decided to have another child did I become pregnant again. It only took one try because I know my body and when I'm ovulating. It's simple science people, 14 days after the first day of your period, give or take a few in either direction.
Abortion is not birth control and anyone who uses it because they're too selfish, or stupid to prevent pregnancy should be ashamed of themselves and I am sure at one time on their life when they finally grow up and realize what life is all about will live in a world of pain and regret for killing their child.

What about being raped when your 14? (just an example)

[Vodstok]

Abortion is not birth control and anyone who uses it because they're too selfish, or stupid to prevent pregnancy should be ashamed of themselves and I am sure at one time on their life when they finally grow up and realize what life is all about will live in a world of pain and regret for killing their child.

This is exactly the point i was trying to make. The women who have an abortion and arent severely affected by it are rare and emotionally bankrupt anyway. They do not DESERVE to have kids.

However, i still think they should have the option. America is about freedom, and the only person who suffers in most of these cases is the kid. I would be intersted to see how many unwanted children become victims of pedophiles, if for no other reason than those sick fuckers manage to molest kids from happy, loving homes. Just imagine if the kid's parents dont care what happens to them?

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by orangestar
What about being raped when your 14? (just an example)

Just tell the rapist to practice abstinance :rolleyes:

"Do her in the butt, sicko. That way you still get to dominate, and she doesnt have to deal with the whole messy 'abortion' issue."

Sorry if that was a bit severe. But Orangestar brongs up a good point. i imagine a girl inher early teens, if forced to have the klid, would kill herself.

[Gothic-chick]

Originally posted by orangestar
What about being raped when your 14? (just an example)

I am personally totally against abortion for any reason.

My daughter is 13 and if she were pregnant from rape or stupidity I would not allow her to kill her child. It would be a very tough for her to go through pregnancy and birth at such a young age, but my husband and I would be there helping her every step of the way. Life isn't always easy and murdering a innocent baby is not going to make life any easier for anyone.

I was raped when I was in my teens. I was not pregnant but if I had been I wouldn't have killed my baby. I would have loved that baby as much as the children I have with my husband. A life is a life , no matter how conceived.

I will never think abortion is ok. I think in this country people are abusing it daily and it is so sad..... If someone doesn't want to be a parent then use some common sense birth control. There are tons of options out there. Accidents do happen but that's the risk you take when you have sex. Which is why people shouldn't be having sex when they are immature and irresponsible which is any age that someone would get pregnant and decide to kill their baby.

people are or should be responsible for everything they think, say, or do... that includes having unprotected sex and getting pregnant.. I could go on and on and on.........

[Vodstok]

You obviously deserve to be a mother, but not everyone could handle having the kid. Is till believe that many many young girls inthis situation would commit suicide. Not everyone comes froma loving family. I know plenty where the girl would be blamed for the incident.

But once again, I'm just a guy. it isnt my say.

I am aslo for responsibility. Just dig up any post i have made about blaming entertainment for tragedies.....:mad:

But a rape victim is beyond responsibility. Have your beliefs, but you need to accept that others have theirs. I think Orangestar is correct in her way of thinking, which is pretty lucid, especially considering her age.