Drug Testing for Welfare - Help Me See the Light

[Sistinas666]

Originally Posted by bwind22

I have no problem whatsoever with the government mandating drug screening for people receiving government handouts. Who wants to see their tax dollars intended for the genuinely needy, handed out to some addict loser that's just too lazy to get a job? I can't fathom anyone other than a drug addict freeloader fearful that he'll be cut off objecting to this so it's quite a surprise to me that this thread is as long as it is. (No, I didn't read the whole thing so I do apologize if some of my post is redundant.) They are standing in line asking the working class taxpayers to pay for all their shit. The taxpayers should have every right to make sure they aren't blowing their free paycheck on drugs. That's my 2 cents.

Thats what I'm saying...If you have nothing to hide then it shouldn't matter that the only thing you have to do for money is pee. Most people have to work 40 hours a week AND piss, why should someone who doesn't have to work and only piss bitch?

Granted I do not think random piss tests will keep junkies off of welfare...piss tests are easy to beat. I smoke pot so I am constantly in possession of a $50 urine cleaning kit for my job. They will do the same shit to get their benefits so it is probably useless to even attempt it.

[Fearonsarms]

Originally Posted by Sistinas666

Thats what I'm saying...If you have nothing to hide then it shouldn't matter that the only thing you have to do for money is pee. Most people have to work 40 hours a week AND piss, why should someone who doesn't have to work and only piss bitch?

Granted I do not think random piss tests will keep junkies off of welfare...piss tests are easy to beat. I smoke pot so I am constantly in possession of a $50 urine cleaning kit for my job. They will do the same shit to get their benefits so it is probably useless to even attempt it.

OK if you have nothing to hide then you won't mind the cops raiding your property at four in the morning and searching it to PROVE that you have nothing to hide cos that is exactly what you are advocating.

[Sistinas666]

Originally Posted by Fearonsarms

OK if you have nothing to hide then you won't mind the cops raiding your property at four in the morning and searching it to PROVE that you have nothing to hide cos that is exactly what you are advocating.

No, no, no. There is a huge difference between voluntarily pissing in a cup to provide for your family and being raided. Thats like saying that just because my job gives me a urine test that its also ok for my boss to search my house at any time. Not even close to the same thing...

[Ferox13]

The test aren't that reliable, are easy to beat and will cost money to administer.

So basically what will happen is that the government will spend more money to test welfare recipients for illegal drugs.

The response to this is that the welfare recipients who do take illegal will spend the government money they receive on kits to cheat the tests. Isn't there some sort of irony here.

[Sistinas666]

Originally Posted by Ferox13

The test aren't that reliable, are easy to beat and will cost money to administer.

So basically what will happen is that the government will spend more money to test welfare recipients for illegal drugs.

The response to this is that the welfare recipients who do take illegal will spend the government money they receive on kits to cheat the tests. Isn't there some sort of irony here.

Don't get me wrong, I do not think testing welfare recipients is going to fix any kind of drug epidemic. I doubt it would even make a scratch on the surface. I don't even think this is a step in the right direction to fix the problem. The big thing for me is that if you need help I don't think its too much to ask to piss clean. I have to piss clean to have my job, the least you can do is piss clean to not have a job.

I am not anti drug at all. In my perfect world all drugs would be made legal and regulated in a manner as to keep low grade dangerous home made chemicals off of the street. If you could legally go to a store and purchase a drug that is regulated, meets FDA standards, and isn't "cut", you wouldn't buy an inferior product from the street. Its like you never hear of an alcoholic who brews all his own vodka or buys bathtub vodka from a street brewer, he goes to a store and buys it. He knows that the booze from the store isn't tainted and won't make him go blind. I also believe that if a person could legally buy their drug of choice you would see a steep decline in criminal activity. I'm not sure how the economy would be affected by thousands of drug dealers suddenly being out of business though.:confused:

I believe that is everyones personal right to ingest whatever substance they desire as long as they can do it in a responsible manner and it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. IMO, if you want to sniff glue at the end of your work day, more power to you, its your body and your decision. I don't believe it should be anyones choice but your own.

*edit* I also believe that treatment should be made readily available and free as to help those who are poor.

[Despare]

Originally Posted by Ferox13

The test aren't that reliable, are easy to beat and will cost money to administer.

So basically what will happen is that the government will spend more money to test welfare recipients for illegal drugs.

The response to this is that the welfare recipients who do take illegal will spend the government money they receive on kits to cheat the tests. Isn't there some sort of irony here.

Saying that is a cop out though, look at how many people are busted for probation violations because of a dilute result or failure. It's not THAT easy to beat and I've met some (fairly... given the circumstances I suppose) intelligent people who haven't passed a test when they should have.

[Ferox13]

Originally Posted by Despare

Saying that is a cop out though, look at how many people are busted for probation violations because of a dilute result or failure. It's not THAT easy to beat and I've met some (fairly... given the circumstances I suppose) intelligent people who haven't passed a test when they should have.

No I just saying that it would be the reality of the situation.

I'm not sure how reliable the drug testing kits are (I neither take illegal drugs or ever drug tested) but they work for Sistinas666s pretty good.

Also for a regular user Grass/Has seems to stay in the system the longest - so they are most likely to be caught where as a heroin users would be a whole be harder. Smack stays in the system a very short time.

Also if you advocate testing for illegal drugs than you really have to advocate testing for legal drugs too like alcohol. In my opinion, alcohol abuse is more detrimental to holding down a job than some one who smokes grass every day.

[Sistinas666]

Originally Posted by Ferox13

No I just saying that it would be the reality of the situation.

I'm not sure how reliable the drug testing kits are (I neither take illegal drugs or ever drug tested) but they work for Sistinas666s pretty good.

Also for a regular user Grass/Has seems to stay in the system the longest - so they are most likely to be caught where as a heroin users would be a whole be harder. Smack stays in the system a very short time.

Also if you advocate testing for illegal drugs than you really have to advocate testing for legal drugs too like alcohol. In my opinion, alcohol abuse is more detrimental to holding down a job than some one who smokes grass every day.

The only illegal drug I use is weed. You are correct, I do believe it is one of the longest to stay in your system. I go to the local health food store and buy a body detox kit for 50 bucks(I can affords this without government assistance or depriving my family of any needs). I have passed many pee tests with this. I am a daily smoker so there is no way thc wouldn't appear in MY urine but I have absolutely no idea how well this would work if a person did other kinds of drugs.

I agree with you on the weed vs alcohol debate but unfortunately alcohol is legal and weed isn't. I understand your point as well, if a junkie can't get benefits its not cool for an alcoholic to get them just because booze is legal. I completely see eye to eye with you on that point.

[Ferox13]

Originally Posted by Sistinas666

I agree with you on the weed vs alcohol debate but unfortunately alcohol is legal and weed isn't. I understand your point as well, if a junkie can't get benefits its not cool for an alcoholic to get them just because booze is legal. I completely see eye to eye with you on that point.

Not only that, its easier for a Heroin Addict to get Welfare with drug testing than someone who smokes grass.

I think the figure is higher for is higher for Alcohol Abuse rather than Drug abuse with those receiving Welfare (in USA anyway). So its logical to conclude that alcohol abuse is a more serious problem than any sort of illegal drug abuse. So for drug testing for marijuana really isn't addressing the real problem.

[Sistinas666]

Originally Posted by Ferox13

Not only that, its easier for a Heroin Addict to get Welfare with drug testing than someone who smokes grass.

I think the figure is higher for is higher for Alcohol Abuse rather than Drug abuse with those receiving Welfare (in USA anyway). So its logical to conclude that alcohol abuse is a more serious problem than any sort of illegal drug abuse. So for drug testing for marijuana really isn't addressing the real problem.

Okay, I think we see eye to eye on this topic as I completely agree with everything you have stated. Drug testing for weed doesn't address the problem and in my opinion neither does putting people in jail for weed. It blows my mind that simply sitting in the privacy of my own home smoking a joint could land me in jail yet its perfectly fine to throw a party in my yard with a keg and a loud bunch of annoying drunks.

Shit just isn't right and I fear I will never see a change in my lifetime.