US Politics

[TheWickerFan]

Originally Posted by wufongtan.

I never said anyone here did. But the msm is. This is clearly the actions of the pro marijuana movement.

I suppose his motive is of little consequence as he's clearly nuttier than a fruitcake.

[TheWickerFan]

People are sick!:mad:http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ock-sales.html

[bwind22]

Gun sales surged nationwide the next day. It's because paranoid fools expected some sort of immediate moratorium on sales. I wouldn't say they're sick, just stupid.

[TheWickerFan]

Originally Posted by bwind22

Gun sales surged nationwide the next day. It's because paranoid fools expected some sort of immediate moratorium on sales. I wouldn't say they're sick, just stupid.

I'm not sure that was the sole reason that particular gun started selling like hotcakes. I think a lot of people thought it would be "cool" to own the same gun the psycho had.

[scouse mac]

Ive never seen the point in gun ownership, a gun serves no purpose what so ever.

Hunting? Why do people feel the need to go out into the wilderness and shoot animals anyway, just leave them be. And the need to have armour piercing rounds, why? In response to guns have deer evolved kevlar skin?

Protection? From what if not other people with guns?

Recreation? Go down the firing range to shoot the shit out of targets? Seems like a waste of time to me but why not use pellet guns or some other none lethal object?


The whole guns dont kill people, people kill people thing is true, but the ease at which guns are available makes it significantly easier for shit like this to happen. The people in power need to step up with the bollocks to make gun ownership illegal.

[Despare]

Originally Posted by scouse mac

Ive never seen the point in gun ownership, a gun serves no purpose what so ever.

Hunting? Why do people feel the need to go out into the wilderness and shoot animals anyway, just leave them be. And the need to have armour piercing rounds, why? In response to guns have deer evolved kevlar skin?

Protection? From what if not other people with guns?

Recreation? Go down the firing range to shoot the shit out of targets? Seems like a waste of time to me but why not use pellet guns or some other none lethal object?


The whole guns dont kill people, people kill people thing is true, but the ease at which guns are available makes it significantly easier for shit like this to happen. The people in power need to step up with the bollocks to make gun ownership illegal.

How about having something to protect yourself and your family if things do get out of control. Disarming the people would be a bad choice my friend, black market guns would still be easy to get for the criminals but citizens would have the power to legally obtain firearms revoked? Yikes...

[TheWickerFan]

Originally Posted by Despare

How about having something to protect yourself and your family if things do get out of control. Disarming the people would be a bad choice my friend, black market guns would still be easy to get for the criminals but citizens would have the power to legally obtain firearms revoked? Yikes...

It probably comes as no surprise that I disagree with you. I hate guns, and think we would be better off without them. The 'only the criminals will have guns' argument doesn't hold water when you study other countries that have banned guns.

It also doesn't help that this country is a violent one. Comparing the instances of death by firearms in the UK, Canada, and the U.S.A.:

Canada (firearms are legal) - 144
UK (firearms are illegal) - 14
USA - 9,369

[bwind22]

Originally Posted by scouse mac

The people in power need to step up with the bollocks to make gun ownership illegal.

Yeah, lets take away the freedom of speech, assembly, press and petition while we're at it. Matter of fact, who needs any of the Bill of Rights? I don't see any reason soldiers shouldn't be able to barge in and take over my home, the cops shouldn't be able to search and seize my property without a warrant, the legal system requires a trial by jury or cruel and unusual punishment is illegal anyway. /sarcasm

Sorry Scouse, not to sound like a dick, but right to bear arms is guaranteed by our 2nd amendment. Not only is it right there in the Bill of Rights, it's pretty close to the top of the list (2nd) which means our founding fathers thought it was pretty darn important.

There are several reasons beyond it being a guaranteed freedom, that banning guns would be a horrible idea. First and foremost is that there are already millions of them in circulation, some registered, some not. Trying to collect them all would not only be a logistical nightmare, it'd be impossible. With that in mind, why shouldn't I be able to go out and buy a gun to hunt or protect my home and family? Idiots like this asshole already have them, why can't responsible non-felons like me have one as well to shoot this fucker with if he ever came busting in to my home and threatened my family with his? As for hunting, I personally dont, not because of any moral objection, just because sitting around all day waiting for something to happen strikes me as a boring thing to do (just like fishing.) but some people love it. Why shouldn't they be able to? Not sure where you live, but without hunting, Minnesota and Wisconsin would be overrun with deer to the point that people would be hitting them in their cars all the time. Up in the northern midwest, hunting is seen as a form of animal population control.

As Despare said, even if guns were banned, there would still be a black market for them. Drugs are illegal, but still pretty easy to get. Prostitution is illegal, but a short drive to any major city will prove that hookers are still plentiful. Booze were illegal, but we all know that didn't stop anyone from drinking... Speakeasys, bootleggers and moonshine boomed. Outlawing stuff that creates problems is seldom the solution.

[TheWickerFan]

'A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.'

We have a proper military now; this no longer applies. Unless you're planning on overthrowing the government.

[bwind22]

Originally Posted by TheWickerFan

'A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.'

We have a proper military now; this no longer applies. Unless you're planning on overthrowing the government.

Wow, that sounds so facist. Who are you to say it no longer applies? If the government gets out of line and no one has guns, there's nothing to keep them in check.

"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." There's no asterik there stating that it doesn't apply if the government has a military.