Guinea Pig

[Old Banyan Tree]

Originally posted by Monkey Do
Thanks for reminding me, I've got Flowers of Flesh and Blood on one of my computers...I'm going to go watch it now.

i have it on dvdr, but the frigging thing doesnt open on a dvd player . it seems it opens only on a dvd writer!:mad:

im soon getting a comp setup with a dvd writer

[Proteus]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
There is no such thing as pointless exploitation - surely every created viewing experience has a point, even if it is far from the logical, ethical and moralistic base of most movies.

The GUINEA PIG films (talking about the two most notorious instalments at least) do not set out to become anything other than graphic accounts of torture - without realistic special effects or agressive, documentary-style camerawork they would have been consigned to oblivion long ago never to have reared their heads to each new generation of thrill-seekers (perhaps THEN they could be considered pointless!).

There is more background to DEVIL'S EXPERIMENT and THE FLOWER, THE FLESH & THE BLOOD if you want it (something about pain barriers and killer/victim contrasts according to their creators), but even on face value their very reputation as uncompromising and nihilistic works assures they have a point to make to every viewer - even if it is primarily "car-crash" morbid curiousity - that this is what someone is doing to someone else, wanna see how we think it might look?

Not to be mean but I think your reading too deeply into these flicks most gore fans wouldn't even like em and thats not because there too hardcore its because there boring as hell and very cheeply made!

Proteus

[EXTR3MIST]

Or you could say your "most gore fans" require their thrills on rails with distinct moral values and familiar logic that requires no further thought beyond the awe of the special effects - i.e. boring as hell.

FIlms like the GUINEA PIGs do not need to be looked into at all to be appreciated - they are blatantly non-conformist and agressive pieces of work, and - in comparison to today's purile fanboy zombie homages and pissweak slasher flicks - are reminders of how powerful fantasy horror can still be in the right hands that are not corrupted by current trends and catering to target audiences.

Someone once told me they didn't like THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT because, "you didn't even see the witch"...

[feral cat]

I have seen the first while ago, very pointless just an excuse for silly boys to watch them so they can say they are hardcore and a true horror fan … get over your selves your not impressing anyone … gore for gore sake without any kind of structured movie around it is boring as hell … Cannibal Holocaust is a completely different thing exploitation in the confines of a well put together product … not just a pointless exercise in gore!

[feral cat]

... I didn’t like Blair witch ... because it was s**t

[Proteus]

Sorry but My buddy could make the Guinea pig series in his basement anyone one could!!! Its just a pointless series with graphic gore!
like feral said If anyone wants to watch a good gore flick check out something thats at least well done like Cannibal Holocaust that has great locals a neat score and decent acting I'd also suggest flicks like Men Behind the Sun and Untold story way before the Guinea pig flicks there gory as hell but again very well done and actualy have some sort of plot.
If you enjoy flicks like the Guinea pigs then you more than likely enjoy the whole Faces of Death series too all they are set pieces of fake/real torture/death scenes too with no story that really must be "Art" too you!

And Im deffinitly not what you'd call a "Fanboy" and about the Blair witch, I could give a shit about it!

Proteus

[evil_blonde]

Why is it called Guinea Pig? That's mean..we just got a couple of Guinea Pigs... :(

[Proteus]

LOL theres no violence towards Guinea Pigs don't worry mind you I think a Guinea pig could of directed this mess of a series without anyone being the wiser!

Proteus

[EXTR3MIST]

Just a little more to add on this -

There is still a strong undercurrent in some horror film fans about all exploitation films having "point", being "well done" and with a neat and tidy story to offer the viewer.

However these aspects are add odds with true exploitation.

Indeed, the reactions of some gore/horror fans to the most basic and unpretentious of exploitative cinema is often derision... perhaps it is because the likes of the GUINEA PIG films are uncompromising and leave little to celebrate?

Sometimes an audacious, simple and apparently meaningless movie is what it takes to give food for thought to those amature fanboy filmmakers about to craft their latest cliched, multi-layered and oh-so-meaningful zombie/slasher/vampire piece of art. Or if it isn't, then it bloody should be.

To suggest that if one enjoys viewing films like GUINEA PIG then one must similarly "enjoy" the contents of real/fake death film sounds like a comment from an outraged Christian group or similar rather than a liberated horror fan.

I'll watch them all, and judge each on its own merits.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by evil_blonde
Why is it called Guinea Pig? That's mean..we just got a couple of Guinea Pigs... :(

from memory the director wanted an title which bare no relation to the contents of the film