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Old 03-02-2004, 01:32 PM
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I agree with Ritualistic....the music is sort of catchy.
a lot of people wont admit to that... But they know it is true... I personally dont care if it is a gimmick or shit.. We all know that it is.. Still has catchy songs IMO

Tainted Love is a good remake.. better than the original
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Old 03-03-2004, 06:13 AM
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For some people though, they have to look past the gimmicks. I know people who refuse to listen to bands like Slipknot, Mushroomhead and The Berzerker because they wear masks. Other people see his satanism/atheism as a gimmick... cause in some songs he denounces God and in others he claims God doesn't exist.

Anyway, your call.
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Old 03-03-2004, 09:58 AM
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Old 03-03-2004, 05:24 PM
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lets see if i can go one post w/o attracting trolls

i like manson, though i can agree whole heartedly that his earlier shit is better. i like his new stuff too. but really the old stuff is the best.

as far as a gimmick. i dont think he is at all. hes been doin the same shit since day one when they werent shit but a local florida band. the whole concept of the band is to stirr shit up. look at the names. all model and a serial killers. the concept of the definition of beauty and horror is a central theme of the band, as is controversy. it always has been.

while i was sad to hear of ramirez's departure from the band i was excitied to see that tim skold had joined the line up (though im sure arioch might be the only other person here who knows skolds work).

the bottom line here is that if you dont like his music/imagery thats fine. everyone has their own tastes. but saying the whole thing is a gimmick is just plain ignorant, seeing that most of the fools saying this are about as familiar with his body of work as i am aerophysics.
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Old 03-03-2004, 05:31 PM
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I'm familiar with all his works, Watch the movie Velvet goldmine, then look at his Mechanical Animals Album. Compare the two and you will learn that he is full of it. You can also look to his downward trend in actual lyric writing as his albums progress, in corilation to the original members leaving.
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ARTHUR:Man. Sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there?
DENNIS:I'm thirty-seven.
ARTHUR:I-- what?
DENNIS:I'm thirty-seven. I'm not old.
ARTHUR:Well, I can't just call you 'Man'.
DENNIS:Well, you could say 'Dennis'.
ARTHUR:Well, I didn't know you were called 'Dennis'.
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WOMAN:Who are the Britons?
ARTHUR:Well, we all are. We are all Britons, and I am your king.
WOMAN:I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
DENNIS:You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship: a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--
WOMAN:Oh, there you go bringing class into it again.
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ARTHUR:You don't vote for kings.
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ARTHUR:The Lady of the Lake,...
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ARTHUR:Be quiet!
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ARTHUR:Shut up, will you? Shut up!
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ARTHUR:Shut up!
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Old 03-03-2004, 07:23 PM
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I'm familiar with all his works, Watch the movie Velvet goldmine, then look at his Mechanical Animals Album. Compare the two and you will learn that he is full of it. You can also look to his downward trend in actual lyric writing as his albums progress, in corilation to the original members leaving.
agreed about velvet goldmine. even manson himself said that album was a glam rock tribute. well even though we dissagree, im glad you back up your opinion with knowledge. I felt that his last album had great lyrics. And you know what people change, and manson is all about reinvention. he always has been. either way after i saw bowling for columbine i gained some respect for him as a person and not just some rock star. but whatever. Im glad you backed up your argument instead of being like

"manson is a faggot. and youre a fucking moron for liking him. fuck you."

that attitude seems to be common around these parts.

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Old 03-03-2004, 07:35 PM
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Lol, yeah I know of a few people like that around here.

IMO his first album was his best, Superstar and SMC are good albums, but I think the first one is still the best and most...dirty.
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ARTHUR: Old woman!
DENNIS:Man!
ARTHUR:Man. Sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there?
DENNIS:I'm thirty-seven.
ARTHUR:I-- what?
DENNIS:I'm thirty-seven. I'm not old.
ARTHUR:Well, I can't just call you 'Man'.
DENNIS:Well, you could say 'Dennis'.
ARTHUR:Well, I didn't know you were called 'Dennis'.
DENNIS:Well, you didn't bother to find out, did you?
ARTHUR:I did say 'sorry' about the 'old woman', but from the behind you looked--
DENNIS:What I object to is that you automatically treat me like an inferior!
ARTHUR:Well, I am King!
DENNIS:Oh, King, eh, very nice. And how d'you get that, eh? By exploiting the workers! By 'anging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society. If there's ever going to be any progress with the--
WOMAN: Dennis, there's some lovely filth down here. Oh! How d'you do?
ARTHUR:How do you do, good lady? I am Arthur, King of the Britons. Who's castle is that?
WOMAN:King of the who?
ARTHUR:The Britons.
WOMAN:Who are the Britons?
ARTHUR:Well, we all are. We are all Britons, and I am your king.
WOMAN:I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
DENNIS:You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship: a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--
WOMAN:Oh, there you go bringing class into it again.
DENNIS:That's what it's all about. If only people would hear of--
ARTHUR:Please! Please, good people. I am in haste. Who lives in that castle?
WOMAN:No one lives there.
ARTHUR:Then who is your lord?
WOMAN:We don't have a lord.
ARTHUR:What?
DENNIS:I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week,...
ARTHUR:Yes.
DENNIS:...but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting...
ARTHUR:Yes, I see.
DENNIS:...by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,...
ARTHUR:Be quiet!
DENNIS:...but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major--
ARTHUR:Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
WOMAN:Order, eh? Who does he think he is? Heh.
ARTHUR:I am your king!
WOMAN:Well, I didn't vote for you.
ARTHUR:You don't vote for kings.
WOMAN:Well, how did you become King, then?
ARTHUR:The Lady of the Lake,...
[angels sing]
...her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.
[singing stops]
That is why I am your king!
DENNIS:Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
ARTHUR:Be quiet!
DENNIS:Well, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
ARTHUR:Shut up!
DENNIS:I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
ARTHUR:Shut up, will you? Shut up!
DENNIS:Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
ARTHUR:Shut up!
DENNIS:Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
ARTHUR:Bloody peasant!
DENNIS:Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?
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Old 03-03-2004, 11:27 PM
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Im glad you backed up your argument instead of being like

"manson is a faggot. and youre a fucking moron for liking him. fuck you."
Heh, as funny as it is to see people write things like "ur 2 old to undastand the brilaince of slipknot and im mad (sic)", you need proper arguments. Unit 03 has said what I always thought was true, but was never 100% sure. Hopefully I'll sleep better tonight.
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Old 03-04-2004, 09:48 AM
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I still say Manson is pretty cool.
Has anyone here read the book on his life.
It was way cool!

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Old 03-04-2004, 03:30 PM
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I still say Manson is pretty cool.
Has anyone here read the book on his life.
It was way cool!
I read it, it wasnt even entirely written by him. I think some guy from rolling stone helped him write it.:rolleyes:

The funniest part was when them and NIN were in a van together and someone puked, then they started throwing puke at eachother. LMAO that was funny shit.
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