Rip my head off - but no tits please !!

[bloodrayne]

Originally Posted by urgeok

its like complaining about scenes where people are eating dinner. Or shopping, or sleeping.

And I wouldn't wanna sit and watch 30 minutes of THAT in my horror movie either!

Originally Posted by urgeok

sometimes people are nude each day ! gasp !

But we would NEVER run around naked in front of our kids...If the kids weren't here, we could be as naked as we wanted, whenever we wanted, and that wouldn't cut into the amount of actual horror that was in our horror movie either..So, no problems there

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by Miss Olivia

Nudity doesn't bother me....graphic sex scenes are another matter. I can't watch stuff like that with my nine year old. He's going to do it one day whether I agree or not, I just don't want him to be obssessed with doing it before he hits puberty. Just me. I'm not saying anybody else's child rearing techniques are right or wrong, velcro them to the ceiling for all I care, it's just my personal feeling about it. I've met way too many people who lost their virginity at eleven or twelve, but so far I've only met one preteen murderer.:p

See this is interesting, and I think it has a HUGE impact on how people see sex and nudity. i dont view sex or nudity as dirty, but i have always been very aware that the people around me did. My first exposure to anyt of this was getting my hands on a Penthouse at 9. That kind of thing sets a pretty different stage from kids who get a more gentle, realistic introduction to the subject. I spent a huge portion of my life with little confidence around women (i use the term to descibe females around my age at the time, in highschool and then after) because I didnt know how to handle myself around them. if i was attracted to a girl, that was it, i was completely unable to communicate with her properly. I ended up dating girls who pursued me because in every case, they were someonei would not have thought of in that light, becaus ei was not immediately attracted to them. they were people, so it was easy.

Sadly, if i was immediately attracted to someone, they were an object, some sort of unatainable thing.

looking back, it is incredibly sad that i grew up this way. My outward attitude and actual feelings on the subject are probably the healthiest around, but my core psychology underlying all of it is pretty fucked up. Fortunately knowing this makes one able to work through it.

[Miss Olivia]

I was raised in a super conservative religious family, and in most things I'm the polar opposite of what I was taught when I was a kid....I was terrified of men for a long time, and I don't want my son to have that problem with women. If I thought that were the case, I'd just change my opinion on the subject. I just have a feeling he's going to run into sexual material plenty more than I did when I was a kid and there's no need for me to be involved directly with it. You can go ahead and sit through something like Basic Instinct with your preteen and explain every part of it, but I find that creepy. It's like the beginning of an after school special or something. Now, if we were walking down the street and ran into homeless people boning in the park or something, I'll explain it no problem, because then it's necessary. I won't stop walking down the street.....but I can decide not to view things like that with my kid until he's older.

I would like to stress that I am NOT putting down your way of raising your children, because that is your choice. The preceding opinion is MY choice.
Different strokes and all that.

[urgeok]

Originally Posted by bloodrayne

Agreed...But...Can't we leave something for the kids to look forward to when they're adults?

yeah .. actually being with someone is special .. seeing an image is just that ...


i personally think that exposing them to scenes of death robs a child of his youth and innocence in a far greater degree than seeing a naked body.

my kid is interested in 'scary movies' but not where people get killed (onscreen/graphically) so even if he understands its fake - the images of pain and suffering still disturb him .. thank god for that.

so i have the challenge of trying to find movies that satisfy his sensibilities so that we have things to watch together..


as far as people naked who had sex, or are about to have sex ... its just naked bodies - no biggie. he's not ready to see anything harder ... for the same reason he's not ready to see the hard violence .. lack of maturity and true understanding.

[Vodstok]

This all reminds me of something I saw on MSNBC last night... Child prostitutes as young as 8 in cambodia. It was a horrifyingly scary situation, THAT is somethign that will/can damage children. The worst part was how casually the pimps and pretty much everyone was treating the subject. they could have just as easily been someone hawking Ipods. they even had their own vernacular, i'll let you try and decipher what the difference between "boom-boom" and "yum-yum" were.


Personally, i would rather my kid accidentally see some boobs in a movie. God forbid we were wathing this and lily was older and had comeout of her room for some reason... THAT is some scary shit to have to explain to your kid.

[bloodrayne]

Originally Posted by urgeok

i personally think that exposing them to scenes of death robs a child of his youth and innocence in a far greater degree than seeing a naked body.

Agreed...But we do not watch snuff films and they know that there are NO "scenes of death"...There are only scenes of people in costumes and make-up, some CGI special effects...etcetera...I would NEVER let him watch an actual murder...Or even someone getting beaten...There really is a difference...At least here there is...

Honestly Urge, it has been established that I really am incapable of helping you to understand my position...


I really enjoyed discussing it with you, though...Thanks for the debate :)

[urgeok]

Originally Posted by Vodstok

This all reminds me of something I saw on MSNBC last night... Child prostitutes as young as 8 in cambodia. It was a horrifyingly scary situation, THAT is somethign that will/can damage children. The worst part was how casually the pimps and pretty much everyone was treating the subject. they could have just as easily been someone hawking Ipods. they even had their own vernacular, i'll let you try and decipher what the difference between "boom-boom" and "yum-yum" were.


Personally, i would rather my kid accidentally see some boobs in a movie. God forbid we were wathing this and lily was older and had comeout of her room for some reason... THAT is some scary shit to have to explain to your kid.

yeah .. i see no harm in protecting your child from the harsher realities of the world for as long as possible.

eventually they have to konw - be street smart - understand that sadly - not all people are nice and decent ...

he's a sweet little kid - still believes in santa claus, still loves his blankie, but he's smart as a whip - intuitive, funny, and a little scamp - i think he'll be able to make the transaction from little boy - to boy with no problems

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by urgeok

yeah .. i see no harm in protecting your child from the harsher realities of the world for as long as possible.

eventually they have to konw - be street smart - understand that sadly - not all people are nice and decent ...

he's a sweet little kid - still believes in santa claus, still loves his blankie, but he's smart as a whip - intuitive, funny, and a little scamp - i think he'll be able to make the transaction from little boy - to boy with no problems

Its still too early to tell, but i see Lily ending up the same way. She learns thinsg like nothing, once she figures out a trick, she is a pro in no time. But i LOVE seeing that curious, innocent little psarkle in her eye. ihope she can maintain that lust for learning. I never lost it, even though schools and family did their damndest to squash it. It has helped me out tons, carreer wise. onc ei am interested in something, nothing will stop me from learnign as much about it as possible.

7 years ago, I taught myself HTML. Now, i know more than 13 computer languages, 3 of them full fledged programming languages. I cant wait to find out what Lily's interests are an help her pursue them as far as she can.

I was limited in many opportunities as a kid. i never got to take martial arts or gymnastics like i wanted too. I moved every few years, adn as a result, my ability to socialize was hurt. Hell, i still have pronblems getting close enough to people to have any real friends. But i love to write, and i love to learn.

Man, i am in a rambling mood today. Poor Bree, i will probably babble her ear off tonight.

[urgeok]

Originally Posted by bloodrayne

Agreed...But we do not watch snuff films and they know that there are NO "scenes of death"...There are only scenes of people in costumes and make-up, some CGI special effects...etcetera...I would NEVER let him watch an actual murder...Or even someone getting beaten...There really is a difference...At least here there is...

Honestly Urge, it has been established that I really am incapable of helping you to understand my position...


I really enjoyed discussing it with you, though...Thanks for the debate :)

i think i understand the position - but i also think that there is something deeper below the surface when it comes to nudity with you.. maybe something you arent even aware of .. a subconcious product of your environment perhaps..

for the record - my parents were VERY private .. doors closed - no nudity ..
i just reasoned as i got older that it wasnt natural to feel that way about our bodies. it simply made no sense.



i think its hilarious the way nudity is handled by americans as well ..

a woman isnt considered topless unless the nipple is visible ... the entire boob can be exposed as long as that little nipple is covered.
People will say it's bad taste - but not nudity.

but a man can show a nipple - and its not nudity.

i'd love to hear that one explained to me..

[urgeok]

Originally Posted by Vodstok

Poor Bree, i will probably babble her ear off tonight.

is that what you kids are calling it these days ? :D