Drug Testing for Welfare - Help Me See the Light

[Sistinas666]

Originally Posted by Ferox13

Then they should test for alcohol as well?

Yes, alcohol is a luxury as well. You will get no arguement from me there.

[Sistinas666]

Weed and beers are cool if you can afford them. First priority is taking care of your family though. If you are so broke and destitute that you can't buy diapers or food you but you have money for beer and drugs, then you are wrong.


Don't get me wrong, i drink beer and smoke daily, but you need to get your priorities straight if you are on welfare. I have absolutely no problem with people or the drugs or the booze but you must have priorities. Feeding my children is much more important than me getting high.


All in all my point is this: If you can not afford doing drugs then do not make your children suffer. Every hit is a bowl of food you have stolen from your child.

[Ferox13]

Originally Posted by Sistinas666

All in all my point is this: If you can not afford doing drugs then do not make your children suffer. Every hit is a bowl of food you have stolen from your child.

Dramatic much..lol...

I'm not sure how unemployment works in Bible Belt Buckle, Kuntzass but do you not pay tax/stamps as a sort of insurance incase you get laid off etc? It seems to be that way most places.

So if your company lays you off, are you not entitled to benefit for a period of time while you try look for a new job? So during this period, if you have a beer or 2 then you shouldn't get welfare?

I am also confused, you say you ' drink beer and smoke daily' but 'have to piss clean to have a job', how does this work?

And for the record, do 'illegal drugs' but enjoy the odd cider...

[Sistinas666]

Originally Posted by Ferox13

Dramatic much..lol...

I'm not sure how unemployment works in Bible Belt Buckle, Kuntzass but do you not pay tax/stamps as a sort of insurance incase you get laid off etc? It seems to be that way most places.

So if your company lays you off, are you not entitled to benefit for a period of time while you try look for a new job? So during this period, if you have a beer or 2 then you shouldn't get welfare?

I am also confused, you say you ' drink beer and smoke daily' but 'have to piss clean to have a job', how does this work?

And for the record, do 'illegal drugs' but enjoy the odd cider...

Were I am unemployment benefits and welfare are 2 entirely different things. Yes, I;ve paid into unemployment for as long as I have worked. This is the first time I have used it in my years. Beer is legal, weed is not in the stAtes. I'm not saying that is a good thing as I believe weed is much less harmful to your body in the long run. I in no way support my governments war on drugs. It is a waste of time, money, and innocent peoples lives.\

Yes I smoke daily and drink a few beers atleast 3 or 4 times a week, but I can afford the beer, weed, and piss cleaning kits. If you can't afford to get high and afford a piss clean kit then you can't justify getting high and crying when you lose your job for a dirty UA.

My point is: If you can't afford to do drugs/booze then do not do them. People on welfare obviosly cannot afford to do dope and cannot afford a piss test cleaner so they should not do it. If you are a recreational drug user that is your right if YOU CAN AFFORD IT, if not my tax dollars should not go to support a junkie who is on welfares habit.

I am not "anti-drugs"at all...I'm high right now but I can AFFORD to be. If are putting a roof over your families head and you are struggling with money you have no business buying beer or weed. I am not saying everyone on welfare is a junky but its not my intention to champion the USA's welfare system. Its fucked up and full of dopers. If they have nothing to hide then they will have no problem pissing for free money.

[Ferox13]

Thats kinda of a confusin reply:

Were I am unemployment benefits and welfare are 2 entirely different things.

Not sure what that means.

But your arguement seems to be if you can afford to use a 'cleaning kits' then its ok. Even though your job dictates you shouldn't take illegal drugs, like the situation you are in now.

My point is: If you can't afford to do drugs/booze then do not do them. People on welfare obviosly cannot afford to do dope and cannot afford a piss test cleaner so they should not do it.

People on welfare obviously do drugs and drink, They don't need a piss test for either (yet) and I'm sure if it comes to it they will find a cheap way to cheat it just like you are too. I really think that testing people on welfare for drugs/alcohol is pretty drastic. Being denied welfare for having a beer with a friend or a glass of wine over dinner can't be right.

Also do you have a source for the welfare system being 'fucked up and full of dopers'. Anything I have read is contrary to that.

[Sistinas666]

Originally Posted by Ferox13

Thats kinda of a confusin reply:



Not sure what that means.

But your arguement seems to be if you can afford to use a 'cleaning kits' then its ok. Even though your job dictates you shouldn't take illegal drugs, like the situation you are in now.



People on welfare obviously do drugs and drink, They don't need a piss test for either (yet) and I'm sure if it comes to it they will find a cheap way to cheat it just like you are too. I really think that testing people on welfare for drugs/alcohol is pretty drastic. Being denied welfare for having a beer with a friend or a glass of wine over dinner can't be right.

Also do you have a source for the welfare system being 'fucked up and full of dopers'. Anything I have read is contrary to that.

I have no sources, no. I just know that almost all the junkies I have met in my life are on gov assist. The source I refer to is my way of seeing. I grew up dirt poor and have seen what goes on...Poor parenting leads to poor desissions and possibly much worse.Yes, i beat weed and beer tests with the aid of some products but I bought the weed and a way to get around a piss test. I can afford that but any hippy off the street isn;t that smart.


Basically what I mean is if you like to smoke, then by all means smoke...If you can't smoke, keep a job,and take care of your own family...DO NOT PUT THE NEEDS OF YOUR FAMILY BEHiND A DRUG.


My point is Ferox. I can afford to smoke and drink, no one else is picking up my slack....What I mean is yes, its ok to get down and party as long as you want and take responsability for your own actions.

We could start an internet group for those poor people getting busted...Or we could give a shit About them and truck on with our own lives. I do not feel sorry for anyone who gets busted for being high, we all know what we are doing....the risk.....the gamble.....CAN YOU AFFORD THE FINE IF CAUGHT?

If not then stop whinning about the price of weed...IF YOUR CHILDREN DIDN'T HAVE A PROPER MEAL BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT "AFFORD" IT, then you didn't need the shit, you need to take care of your family and not worry about getting high. I believe reefer should be legal but that doesn't change the way i feel about responsability.


If you can afford to drink or smoke then you can take care of your family without welfare. Bottom line

[Ferox13]

I'm not really sure what you are arguing against here - I am stating that people who have a few beers or a spliff at the weekend should not be denied welfare because of this..

You are taking this to some illogical claim about 'junkies I have met in my life' who don't feed their children because of their habit. That is a totally different thing.

[Sistinas666]

I guess by junkies I am including drunks and pot heads who cannot manage their lives, get assistance, and use that to fund their habit. Granted, I do understand not every drunk or pothead is on assistance or vice versa. If it is a saturday night, you recieve assistance, and know you might have a piss test any time between monday and friday, why take the chance? I don't know about you but my jobs have always given randoms. Everytime I toke up I know I am running a risk and putting my job on the line. I have kits for that that I paid for, not the tax payer. If I fuck up and test positive no one cries for me, you want to play then you must be willing to pay.

To sum it up: Why should the working man be held to a higher standard than a welfare recipient? Nobody protests when more and more companies require mandatory urine analysis's, but people make a stink that people who get free money paid for by you have to take a leak in a cup? That just doesn't jibe with me...

Also, don't get me wrong, I am all for decriminalization of ALL drugs. Its like abortion to me, its your body, you make the call. If you want to sit around doing heroin all day then thats fine as long as you do not infringe on me. Its not for some shriveled up congressmans decision to make.

For a guy like me what does it matter? Should I continue doing drugs, risking my job, and wasting my money on cleaner kits or just say fuck it and go on welfare?If I do the later I don't have to worry about piss tests, doing any work, or worry about taking care of my family. If I had no self respect I guess I'd go on welfare and take the easy life...

Where is the incentive for welfare recipients to work?

[ChronoGrl]

I think that there's another key point that's being missed here - Drug testing is expensive.

Your company chooses compulsory and random drug-testing - Your company pays for it.

If welfare recipients need to take drug tests to receive welfare - The taxpayer pays for it.

Huge difference. You're arguing the principal that "the working man [is] held to a higher standard than a welfare recipient" - It's your company who is holding you to these standards, not the government. Don't like your company's drug policy? Then leave.

Also, if THIS is your major concern:

Originally Posted by Sistinas666

Where is the incentive for welfare recipients to work?

How does drug testing incentivise a person to look for jobs? I do not see the connection at all. If you want to talk about incentives, how about people on welfare/job assistance must "prove" that they are looking for jobs (e.g. doing job searches, going for interviews, going to school to get a degree). I would so much rather spend my tax dollars on case workers who work with welfare families and coach them on job-finding as well as provide them with rehabilitation recommendations (if necessary) instead of drug testing. I believe in teaching/rehabilitation instead of incrimination - Drug tests assume that people on welfare are criminals.

I still don't see how drug testing solves the problem. What are you going to do if someone fails their drug test? Throw them out on the streets? Throw them in jail? It's what we're doing now with the War On Drugs - Spending money to house people who are caught possessing weed - It's pretty ridiculous.

If your core complaint is THEY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR JOBS then they should have to prove that they are looking for jobs in order to continue welfare. As I mentioned, I'd rather pay for case workers who can provide this support instead of drug testing.

If your core complaint is THEY ARE SPENDING WELFARE MONEY ON DRUGS then perhaps welfare should be distributed more as foodstamps/WIC instead of a check or cash.

I still don't understand how drug testing solves the above.

[Sistinas666]

Originally Posted by ChronoGrl

Don't like your company's drug policy? Then leave. .

I assume you have never been tested for a job?I can't remember the last time I applied for a job that didn't require pee.

My point has been a bit lost in my last few posts as I am on leave from work and have been high as hell on oxycodone(prescribed) since last friday. I have also been smoking hella weed and drank a few beers during....I am currently pn a LOA from my job, no pay, I must rely on my savings until a doc releases me to work again.

In all, no, I don't think anyone should be drug tested unless they show signs of being a threat. Many of us can function on weed or alcohol but I feel the unemployed should be as monitored as those of us who are employed...