Apology

[jenna26]

Originally Posted by bloodrayne

The majority of us have been here long enough (some of us have been here since the forum STARTED 5 years ago) that we CAN decide how our forum is and how it will be, we don't need new people to come in and tell us how they think it SHOULD be...We will not conform to their liking, they will have to adjust to ours, or they can leave...Majority rules

There are many different types of people here, from many different places and age groups, with many different personalities, yet we have all somehow managed to get along just fine for many years...Many new people jump in, accept us, and do very well, although not all of them can get the hang of it, so they leave...If you are expecting us to change, you will be extremely disappointed and very unhappy here...Your incessant complaining, instigating and demands for us to conform is irritating many of our members, even those who NEVER snap at people (Newb and Jenna, that REALLY surprised me), so I have to conclude that the problem rests with your behavior, not ours.

As I said, I regretted posting in there shortly after. I shouldn't have gotten involved at all.
I will say this, the problem I had was mainly the insinuation that everyone here is self centered, uncaring and just all around assholes . I didn't like the "misreading" of people's posts to try to support that. THAT is what pissed me off, not even the initial post. Nella, I WAS nice to you and never said a bad thing to you, I'm not asshole.....usually, I'm nice to everyone. Ask just about anyone here. I try to make people feel welcome, even though I tend to stay out of the new introduction threads, because I don't know who is going to stick around. But not everyone is going to be nice, like Despare says, not everyone here HAS to like you (hell, not everyone here likes me....yes, I know...hard to believe....;) ) and you also just can't be so sensitive to everyone's remarks, or threads. If you are, people are going to get frustrated. I don't necessarily like some of what newer people go through here, but I also don't believe everyone here is going to (or even should) look at things the same way I do. We are all very, very different people, it is what makes this place interesting.

So to put an end to this finally, at least from my point of view, apology accepted. And I will also apologize if my post was out of line. You're right, it wasn't my place. I should always go with my initial instinct and just stay the hell out of it....:rolleyes: Have a nice day. Now watch some horror movies.....:p (now see, that is just me having a bit of fun with you, not being an ass)

Originally Posted by bloodrayne

And yeah, I'm having a bit of trouble voting in your latest tournament..."Crappy Movies"?...What's THAT?...lol...I love far too many horror movies, and I even accept many of the 'bad' little miscreants that are cast aside by most...I think Jenna and Dustin may be the only ones who understand me :)

:D Yep, I just like my horror, sometimes (okay, more than sometimes) even the crap. I'll watch anything.....LOL.

[Festered]

Originally Posted by bloodrayne

The majority of us have been here long enough (some of us have been here since the forum STARTED 5 years ago) that we CAN decide how our forum is and how it will be, we don't need new people to come in and tell us how they think it SHOULD be...We will not conform to their liking, they will have to adjust to ours, or they can leave...Majority rules

There are many different types of people here, from many different places and age groups, with many different personalities, yet we have all somehow managed to get along just fine for many years...Many new people jump in, accept us, and do very well, although not all of them can get the hang of it, so they leave...If you are expecting us to change, you will be extremely disappointed and very unhappy here...Your incessant complaining, instigating and demands for us to conform is irritating many of our members, even those who NEVER snap at people (Newb and Jenna, that REALLY surprised me), so I have to conclude that the problem rests with your behavior, not ours.

There are literally millions of forums on the internet, you can choose from any of them if you have a problem with this one

There have been accusations thrown at me, by several members, of trying to change the place. "Guns blazing" is how 1 member put it. I assure you, I could care less how this place is run. It seems to be laid out in a fairly common forum style, the members are typical- the good, bad and ugly. The nOOb hazing is the norm(you guys are decent at it, but I've seen better). I wouldn't change most anything.

But I have taken a little heat recently, for those directories I've started. Why? I've got a theory or 2, but for the sake of keeping the peace, I'll keep them to myself. If anyone thinks I'm putting them together for some bizarre masterplan, they are completely wrong. I'm putting them together to help alleviate a problem(that I, and I'm sure other new and maybe, old members have). Duplication of threads. And it also gets rather tedious, going into a new thread, to see what it's all about, only to find another ragfest where Lifers are chewing out nOObs for dupe threads.

I look on these directories as nothing more than phone books. They will not change this forum in any negative way. If any of you think I'm doing it for some great glory, you are very wrong. I could care less. As a matter of fact, when they're finished, they can be transferred over to _V_'s authorship, and you can sing his/her(sorry, I haven't sexed everybody yet_V_) praises till the cows come home. I'm doing it because I'm a lazy fuck who doesn't want to wade thru 900 pages of bullshit, to find a topic of interest. The directories might also revitalize interest in topics that really haven't been discussed much. I've already replied in a few oldies but goodies that I felt needed a bump.

As far as being hyperactive on the forum, there are a lot of topics here of interest to me. I'm sure that after I've been thru most of the place, my ardor will die down. But it is nice to see dead categories getting a little life back in them.

As far as wanting to get to know you personally, if it happens it happens, if it don't, oh well. I wont lose any sleep. I'm here for the flicks. And it is true about my options for joining here. I had filtered down my choices between this place and 2 others(with many more bells and whistles). Why did I choose this plain gray place?

One word: Substance.

[jenna26]

Originally Posted by Festered

But I have taken a little heat recently, for those directories I've started. Why? I've got a theory or 2, but for the sake of keeping the peace, I'll keep them to myself. If anyone thinks I'm putting them together for some bizarre masterplan, they are completely wrong.
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I actually think what you're doing there is a VERY good idea, by the way. But I still think you have a bizarre master plan. Ah, paranoia....;)

[Nella]

Originally Posted by Despare

Nella... I wasn't talking to you specifically about that but if you must know you do ask some silly questions that could be easily figured out by reading the post. The House by the Edge of The Park being a prime example, that's not a horribly bad thing as we can all do it but you have got to stop thinking everything is an attack on you.



If somebody were to call me a bastard I'll feel like a liar if I denied it. :)

1. That has been mentioned at least twice now. I can remember some things. I joined that thread late and I admit I didn't scroll back to read all the comments. I thought V was referring to a different movie when he used that acronym.

2. I don't think everything is an attack on me but I know that the members did attack me last night. Maybe you all didn't mean to offend me but do you really think calling someone a bitch, hag, old, a 50-year-old (who is only 40), implying that I can't read, asking me if English is my first language, posting a picture that says "Shut up Bitch", accusing me of whining and bitching, and other negative comments isn't an attack? *ssts*

It's all ok. I just wanted to make things right so I won't have to carry any guilt on my shoulders for my part in that incident.

[Despare]

Originally Posted by Nella

1. That has been mentioned at least twice now. I can remember some things. I joined that thread late and I admit I didn't scroll back to read all the comments. I thought V was referring to a different movie when he used that acronym.

2. I don't think everything is an attack on me but I know that the members did attack me last night. Maybe you all didn't mean to offend me but do you really think calling someone a bitch, hag, old, a 50-year-old (who is only 40), implying that I can't read, asking me if English is my first language, posting a picture that says "Shut up Bitch", accusing me of whining and bitching, and other negative comments isn't an attack? *ssts*

It's all ok. I just wanted to make things right so I won't have to carry any guilt on my shoulders for my part in that incident.

There's a picture of sign language in the new section thread telling a member to shut the fuck up. It's the internet, let me show you the equation ok?

[bloodrayne]

Originally Posted by Nella

I do not agree that you weren't out of line. You asked me if I could read and you even asked me if English was my first language! That is very belittling! I even posted an apology to you in that thread for making a mistake as I read a couple of posts wrong and retaliated.

1) You don't have to agree with me....I said nothing out of line, it's a fact and I stand by it.

2) You accused Urge of calling you a bitch, when he didn't, so HE was the one who questioned your reading ability

3) After 3 attempts to explain the same common phrase to you (which you were obviously having difficulty grasping) I came to the conclusion that perhaps English wasn't your first language (I can't imagine any English-speaking person having never heard the phrase "bitch and whine"), so I asked...I could have just as easily surmised other possible reasons for your failure to comprehend and questioned those, however the 'language barrier' was the first one that entered my mind.

After you finally 'got it' and realized that Urge did NOT call you a name, you apologized and it was dropped...Until you just brought it up again, for the second time AFTER the issue was dropped.

Originally Posted by Nella

I was not telling you all how to run the forum but I have a right to disagree when someone is being ridiculed.

As do WE

Originally Posted by Nella

You even told me I should leave and you allowed the attack on me to continue so I had no choice but to defend myself. I know that some of the things I said were wrong. However, I did not call anyone names

1) I remind EVERYONE that they have the option to leave if they don't like our forum, our members, or the way we do things here...You are no exception

2) You called Murderdoll a racist...You don't know her well enough to make that judgement...The rest of us know that she is a bitch, not a racist...She knows that, too and doesn't try to hide it...We accept her as she is because we KNOW her, and she is a part of our community.

3) You have made many similar assessments about our members (who you do not know), and many of us do not appreciate that

Originally Posted by Nella

When I came here, you did not say hello to me. You did not even interact with me until I posted that thread.

1) I don't normally "interact" with anyone until I see what they're about, I made no exception pertaining to you

2) You made your thread to admonish other members about their behavior, they didn't appreciate it, especially from a new person who doesn't know them, it caused conflict so I had no choice but to respond...My first response to you (in that thread) was to defend Urge...I wouldn't have needed to defend him, if you hadn't attacked him.

Originally Posted by Nella

You will have to point out the threads with my "incessant complaining." I don't think my complaints have been incessant or demanding. I have not instigated anything either. There is a PROBLEM when the other members gang up on a newbie, especially last night.

1) You have complained many times, I'm not the only one who has noticed, I'm surprised that you haven't...You are complaining in this post

2) Your thread that I removed caused a lot of conflict - that's instigatory

3) When you call out the members of a forum (as in your removed thread), they fire back

Originally Posted by Nella

When I introduced myself here, Return was the first to make a snide remark when I said I liked it here. Zwoti even commented on his remark and showed a list of members who had been banned. Return decided to edit his post afterward.

1) It sounds to me like this 'situation' was dealt with...Why bring it up again?.

2) This sounds a lot like a complaint.

3) If a "snide remark" ruffles your feathers, there is absolutely no way that you can make it at this forum...This is a horror forum, not a Disney forum.

Originally Posted by Nella

When I said that last night was a big mess, I was also referring to my own posts. Also, I did not direct that thread at a lot of members who decided to post in it with hateful remarks to me.

1) We are a close-knit community, almost a family, we defend each other...No matter who you DID direct the thread to, the rest of the forum takes offense

2) If you ONLY wanted to direct your thread to a limited number of members, and you did not want 'others' to comment on it, you should have made your comments in a PM to those specified members rather than bringing it to the open forum.

3) When you post on the forum, you must expect EVERYONE to respond...That's what the forum is for - open discussion

Originally Posted by Nella

Even newb and Jenna had no valid reason to say what they said.

1) Newb and Jenna have been here long enough to say whatever they choose to say...They don't need to validate their reasons to you, or anyone else here.

2) The very fact that they responded to you negatively proves that there was a serious problem

3) Neither of them called you a name...They both expressed their dissatisfaction with the conflict your thread was causing...Newb did little more than remind you that you have the option to leave the forum

Originally Posted by Nella

I didn't read all of those threads but the titles of them were obviously meant to harass a newbie.

1) If you don't read a thread, you can't (shouldn't) really comment on it

2) What I saw was an attempt to TEASE a new member...That happens here sometimes (not just with new members, but with everyone)...If you had been here a while you would have known that, as it is, you are still very new yet admonishing our long-term forum members for what YOU perceive to be inappropriate...That does not play well here, as you are finding out.

3) No one was 'harassed'...Even Leprucky herself posted in those threads...SHE knows how to take it in stride, and play along with us, and she has taken FAR more grief here than you have...From my experience, I would have to say that SHE is the type of person that would survive here, and you are likely not.

4) If you HAD read the threads, you would have seen that we made them relevant, and responded to the topic of the threads...Except for the utterly ridiculous underwear thread, that was also started by a NEW member (one that YOU have buddied up to), was not responded to well, and was subsequently removed.

Originally Posted by Nella

I just think that you're being unfair.

1) Most of the complaints I get are based on me being TOO lenient

2) I'm far more than "fair"

Originally Posted by Nella

Please forgive me and give me the chance I didn't get from very many members here from the beginning.

1) It's not up to me to forgive anyone...If the individual members of the forum choose to accept you, that's their prerogative...If they don't, there's nothing wrong with that...You can't expect everyone to accept you.

2) All new members get the same 'chance', no one singled you out.

3) We all went through the same hazing...Some make it, some don't

[ferretchucker]

Nella, please, I'm literally begging you, listen to despare. From the responses you've been giving, it seems that you are taking everything as an attack on you. Last night, in our debate, I made a point of not getting personal. You did.

But the thing is, after all these comments and arguments about it, nothing will have been achieved. Please, for everyone's sakes, just stop. I know that with time you can become a good member but you have to drop this defensive wall infront of you.

And Rayne, you have argued your point well, but I fear that unless my suggested actions are taken by Nella, it won't make a difference to her. Oh, mother of Horror.com, with your intelligent eyes and a matching brain, you may rest.

[bloodrayne]

Originally Posted by ferretchucker

Oh, mother of Horror.com, with your intelligent eyes and a matching brain, you may rest.

Gabriel, you are such a strange little person...I love you :)







And...your avatar is creepy as fuck

[_____V_____]

Originally Posted by Festered

There have been accusations thrown at me, by several members, of trying to change the place. "Guns blazing" is how 1 member put it. I assure you, I could care less how this place is run. It seems to be laid out in a fairly common forum style, the members are typical- the good, bad and ugly. The nOOb hazing is the norm(you guys are decent at it, but I've seen better). I wouldn't change most anything.

But I have taken a little heat recently, for those directories I've started. Why? I've got a theory or 2, but for the sake of keeping the peace, I'll keep them to myself. If anyone thinks I'm putting them together for some bizarre masterplan, they are completely wrong. I'm putting them together to help alleviate a problem(that I, and I'm sure other new and maybe, old members have). Duplication of threads. And it also gets rather tedious, going into a new thread, to see what it's all about, only to find another ragfest where Lifers are chewing out nOObs for dupe threads.

I look on these directories as nothing more than phone books. They will not change this forum in any negative way. If any of you think I'm doing it for some great glory, you are very wrong. I could care less. As a matter of fact, when they're finished, they can be transferred over to _V_'s authorship, and you can sing his/her (sorry, I haven't sexed everybody yet _V_) praises till the cows come home. I'm doing it because I'm a lazy fuck who doesn't want to wade thru 900 pages of bullshit, to find a topic of interest. The directories might also revitalize interest in topics that really haven't been discussed much. I've already replied in a few oldies but goodies that I felt needed a bump.

As far as being hyperactive on the forum, there are a lot of topics here of interest to me. I'm sure that after I've been thru most of the place, my ardor will die down. But it is nice to see dead categories getting a little life back in them.

As far as wanting to get to know you personally, if it happens it happens, if it don't, oh well. I wont lose any sleep. I'm here for the flicks. And it is true about my options for joining here. I had filtered down my choices between this place and 2 others(with many more bells and whistles). Why did I choose this plain gray place?

One word: Substance.

I am a he, bud. :)

And hey, I really appreciate the Indexes you have made in the Modern, Classic, and Asian Horror sections. I can literally see how much time and effort you put through all of it, while painstakingly doing searches through literally thousands of pages of threads. (using the very crappy "Search" button, or related searches through Google)

Its a HUGE and monumental achievement, and no amount of applause can equal the efforts you poured into making those Index threads. Although I seriously doubt that any new(er) members will actually use the Indexes (most of the time they just wade into the desired section and hit "New Thread" anyway), it would be very useful to the regs of HDC as references to opinions, quotes and reviews of movies which they want to look into.

I can also empathise and totally understand your annoyance at being little appreciated and criticised, after all the time and efforts which went into making them. And on behalf of any HDC members who gave you any sort of heat over those, I apologise. Be it NE, Posher or anyone else, on behalf of them, I sincerely apologise.

You have already shown good potential in the short stint that you have been here, so stick around. This place needs more new members like you, and this will contribute to the betterment of HDC.

As for me...rofl, I don't ask/need any sort of praise or authorship of anything. I am a member, so are you. I am doing my part for the betterment of this place as a true destination of the horror fans, and you are, too. We are both equal in those terms. :)

[ferretchucker]

Originally Posted by _____V_____

I am a he, bud. :)

And hey, I really appreciate the Indexes you have made in the Modern, Classic, and Asian Horror sections. I can literally see how much time and effort you put through all of it, while painstakingly doing searches through literally thousands of pages of threads. (using the very crappy "Search" button, or related searches through Google)

Its a HUGE and monumental achievement, and no amount of applause can equal the efforts you poured into making those Index threads. Although I seriously doubt that any new(er) members will actually use the Indexes (most of the time they just wade into the desired section and hit "New Thread" anyway), it would be very useful to the regs of HDC as references to opinions, quotes and reviews of movies which they want to look into.

I can also empathise and totally understand your annoyance at being little appreciated and criticised, after all the time and efforts which went into making them. And on behalf of any HDC members who gave you any sort of heat over those, I apologise. Be it NE, Posher or anyone else, on behalf of them, I sincerely apologise.

You have already shown good potential in the short stint that you have been here, so stick around. This place needs more new members like you, and this will contribute to the betterment of HDC.

As for me...rofl, I don't ask/need any sort of praise or authorship of anything. I am a member, so are you. I am doing my part for the betterment of this place as a true destination of the horror fans, and you are, too. We are both equal in those terms. :)

What are these indexes about then?