Touchy Subject

[Despare]

Originally Posted by monalisa

Easier said than done. There are cases when one takes all the precautions and gets pregnant anyway. The pill isn't 100% accurate and neither is any other method except not having sex at all. And then there's the cases of rape where the woman doesn't really have any choices.

I don't want to get into a big debate as I've discussed this issue thousands of other times but look at my post again. I said there were certain situations and one of those is rape. As far as being easier said than done, if you can't handle HAVING the baby (I'm not saying raising it now), then DO NOT HAVE SEX. That's "100% accurate".

[monalisa]

Originally Posted by Despare

I don't want to get into a big debate as I've discussed this issue thousands of other times but look at my post again. I said there were certain situations and one of those is rape. As far as being easier said than done, if you can't handle HAVING the baby (I'm not saying raising it now), then DO NOT HAVE SEX. That's "100% accurate".

Guys should do the same thing then. DON'T HAVE SEX. Yah, like THAT'S gonna happen. I don't mean to sound sexist, so please don't take it that way. But it's very easy for guys to say all this stuff, cuz they never have to worry about ever going through the physical experience of pregnancy and childbirth. Granted a worthwhile partner will help the best he can, but it's the woman the has to go through all the physical crap of getting sick and her body getting all stretched out and all the hormnal changes that most guys refer to as "she's being such a bitch". There is no way for a man to really know what it is actually like to go through all that. And then there is childbirth. Imagine trying to pass a football out your butt. And that's only part of it.

[Despare]

Originally Posted by monalisa

Guys should do the same thing then. DON'T HAVE SEX. Yah, like THAT'S gonna happen. I don't mean to sound sexist, so please don't take it that way. But it's very easy for guys to say all this stuff, cuz they never have to worry about ever going through the physical experience of pregnancy and childbirth. Granted a worthwhile partner will help the best he can, but it's the woman the has to go through all the physical crap of getting sick and her body getting all stretched out and all the hormnal changes that most guys refer to as "she's being such a bitch". There is no way for a man to really know what it is actually like to go through all that.

Nope, but plenty of woman manage to not get knocked up until they're ready and plenty more deal with an accidental pregnancy by taking responsibility for their actions. It's possible to abstain or use multiple precautions, people do it all the time.

[Disease]

I gues there are heaps of couples ready to adopt kids anyway.....

[monalisa]

Originally Posted by Despare

Nope, but plenty of woman manage to not get knocked up until they're ready and plenty more deal with an accidental pregnancy by taking responsibility for their actions. It's possible to abstain or use multiple precautions, people do it all the time.

I added to my post, if you care.

Again, all of this is eay to say when you're not the one getting pregnant. But we've gotten off the subject of pro-choice or pro-life. Go ahead and be pro-life, personally that would be my choice too. But neither you or I have the right to decide for someone else what they should do. That's where the choice part comes in.

[Despare]

Originally Posted by monalisa

I added to my post, if you care.

Again, all of this is eay to say when you're not the one getting pregnant. But we've gotten off the subject of pro-choice or pro-life. Go ahead and be pro-life, personally that would be my choice too. But neither you or I have the right to decide for someone else what they should do. That's where the choice part comes in.

How far do you go on the abortion though? Who sticks up for the baby? Like the young mother that stabbed her newly born child and is now using as her defense "I was going to have an abortion anyway". Like I said I don't want to discuss this (again) for ages. To each their own, you know my stance.

If playing football without lots of protection could lead to a football coming out of my ass I'd stay the hell away from football.

[monalisa]

Originally Posted by Despare

How far do you go on the abortion though? Who sticks up for the baby? Like the young mother that stabbed her newly born child and is now using as her defense "I was going to have an abortion anyway". Like I said I don't want to discuss this (again) for ages. To each their own, you know my stance.

If playing football without lots of protection could lead to a football coming out of my ass I'd stay the hell away from football.

That was a healthy child already born. That was clearly a case of murder and not at all the same as an abortion. Was getting stabbed 135 times better for that poor child than being terminated before it even knew it existed? I think not.

Anyway you know my stance and I know yours. I think it's time to agree to disagree.

So, horrorobsessed, has any of this helped for your speech class? ;) :)

[bloodrayne]

Originally Posted by Despare

I said there were certain situations and one of those is rape.

I've discussed this here a million times, too...Everyone knows my position on this...But, I just wanted to remind everyone of something...

It's almost IMPOSSIBLE to become pregnant as a result of rape...There are many reasons for this (it's a biological thing), but it's a fact

At any rate...Less than 1% OF 1% of all abortions are performed because of "rape"

I also want to add that the word "rape" is even subjective in these cases...For some girls, it breaks down like this:

If the guy's good looking, it's sex
If the guy's ugly, it's rape

I know that sounds disgusting...But it's true in SO many cases

Chicks who get drunk and have sex with someone they normally wouldn't have, usually end up yelling "rape", too

There are also MANY married women who get 'caught' and claim they were raped...It happens more than you might think

Welcome to the real world...It isn't all so 'cut and dried'


Have the baby...Give it up for adoption...Then you don't have to take care of it...You don't want to go through the process of adoption (which is simply signing a paper in the hospital when the baby's born)?, then leave the baby at a hospital, fire department or other place that takes them within 72 hours of birth (check your city to find out where these locations are), with no questions asked, you don't even have to give them your name...So, what could be the problem with THAT?...Oh, you don't want STRETCH MARKS?...Selfish, SHALLOW bitch, you shouldn't have gotten pregnant

[bloodrayne]

Originally Posted by monalisa

That was a healthy child already born. That was clearly a case of murder and not at all the same as an abortion. Was getting stabbed 135 times better for that poor child than being terminated before it even knew it existed? I think not.

Better for?...No...Exactly the same...With the exact same result

Do you think that as soon as a baby pops out it's any more "aware of its existence" than it was BEFORE it came out?...I think not

[Despare]

Originally Posted by bloodrayne

I've discussed this here a million times, too...Everyone knows my position on this...But, I just wanted to remind everyone of something...

It's almost IMPOSSIBLE to become pregnant as a result of rape...There are many reasons for this (it's a biological thing), but it's a fact

At any rate...Less than 1% OF 1% of all abortions are performed because of "rape"

I was thinking more, girl gets drunk and passes out while drunk guy has his way with her and she doesn't wake up. Your percentages pretty much coincide with the frequency I think that could actually happen.