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[The Villain]

Originally Posted by _____V_____

I would say Platoon did that at a much more raw, edgy, disturbing and hard-hitting level than Saving Private Ryan.

Originally Posted by realdealblues

See, I didn't get that at all from Saving Private Ryan. It felt like the bubble gum version compared to something like The Deer Hunter.



Platoon I could see being in a Top 100.

Platoon and Deer Hunter did it in a dark disturbing way while Saving Privaye Ryan did it in an emotional heartfelt way. It doesn't really make sense to compare.

I would add Platoon in the list as well

[realdealblues]

Originally Posted by The Villain

Platoon and Deer Hunter did it in a dark disturbing way while Saving Privaye Ryan did it in an emotional heartfelt way. It doesn't really make sense to compare.

I would add Platoon in the list as well

If we're talking about the emotional toll from war I guess I would rather see it for what it is and at a deeper level. Saving Private Ryan is more about survivor's guilt. These men died and he lived. Now he has to live with that and wonder if he was good enough to be worth the sacrifice? That's not an emotion exclusive to war and I think there are better films that can make that same point.

[The Villain]

Originally Posted by realdealblues

If we're talking about the emotional toll from war I guess I would rather see it for what it is and at a deeper level. Saving Private Ryan is more about survivor's guilt. These men died and he lived. Now he has to live with that and wonder if he was good enough to be worth the sacrifice? That's not an emotion exclusive to war and I think there are better films that can make that same point.

It wasn't just survivors guilt. You saw and felt what the soldiers were going through during the war not just afterwards.

[Straker]

I'm neg voting the following films:

Back to the Future: Classic example of what the honourable mentions list is for. A nostalgic classic that really only resonates with people, like me, who grew up with it, but has no place in the best 100 films ever made.

Die Hard: Would be straight into my top 100 80s action movies without question. Somewhere between Bloodsport and Action Jackson....

Johnny Depp has scissors: Nope.

The Terminator: Awesome movie, love the fact that it basically plays out like a 90 minute chase scene, but its not good enough to be considered one of the best 100 movies of all time.

Titanic: Overproduced nonsense... Hell, its not even the best Titanic movie.

12 Monkeys: Its not as impressive or awe inspiring as Brazil, so I cant vote it in until Brazil makes the cut.

There are a few other movies that wouldn't make my top 100, but I wouldn't necessarily neg vote them. Movies like Gone with the Wind, well there are just better examples of romance out there, but its so far above some of the dreck that's in the running that I just cant vote against .

[metternich1815]

Originally Posted by realdealblues

I personally would neg vote:

Dog Day Afternoon
Edward Scissorhands
Pulp Fiction
Saving Private Ryan
The Terminator
12 Monkeys

Good movies but not Top 100 for me.

I have never seen Dog Day Afternoon, so I cannot comment on it.

I liked Edward Scissorhands, but I do not think it belongs on this top 100 list. Honestly, I would put it under horror anyway, specifically horror comedy.

Pulp Fiction I will have to strongly disagree with. That film is, in my opinion, one of the greatest films from a phenomenal director. The non-linear narrative was very well done and it seemed to fit really well. There were some really amazing performances by some really A-list actors. Each of them brought something different to the film that really enhanced it. Samuel L. Jackson probably being the one that stands out the most. Also, an interesting cameo by Christopher Walken. Related to all this, the film was brilliantly directed by Tarantino. There is no doubt that this film deserves a place on the top 100.

As for Saving Private Ryan, I do not feel one way or another. It would not bother me if it made the list or not. I could understand the case for it either way.

The Terminator definitely deserves a place on the list. It is an absolute science fiction classic. It is practically a pop culture phenomenon. The story was really interesting. I loved how it combined elements of advanced artificial intelligence and time travel. In fact, today when most people think of AI running amok today, this film immediately comes to mind. One thing I particularly enjoyed in the story was the message on fate. It was beautifully done in that regard. Sadly, Cameron abandoned that for his second film, which s unfortunate because that was one of the best elements of the original. And, the score was one of the greatest in movie history, in my opinion. It was beautiful, while also appropriately dark matching the film wonderfully. The Terminator definitely deserves a place.

I will have to strongly disagree on 12 Monkeys. I think it is absolutely brilliant. Similar to the previous film it played with the concept of fate. In fact, that was a major theme of the film. It explored that topic even better and more thoroughly than the Terminator. There were some terrific performances in this film as well. Bruce Willis and Brad Pitt were especially compelling. Another aspect of the film I enjoyed was that you could not figure out, until later, whether the main character was insane or if this was really true. This was further compounded by his stay in a mental institution. That part of the film was particularly interesting. Even the music had an unsettling, mental illness feel to it. This film is definitely a worthy addition to the list. In all honesty, I would put it pretty high up.

Originally Posted by Straker

I'm neg voting the following films:

Back to the Future: Classic example of what the honourable mentions list is for. A nostalgic classic that really only resonates with people, like me, who grew up with it, but has no place in the best 100 films ever made.

Die Hard: Would be straight into my top 100 80s action movies without question. Somewhere between Bloodsport and Action Jackson....

Johnny Depp has scissors: Nope.

The Terminator: Awesome movie, love the fact that it basically plays out like a 90 minute chase scene, but its not good enough to be considered one of the best 100 movies of all time.

Titanic: Overproduced nonsense... Hell, its not even the best Titanic movie.

12 Monkeys: Its not as impressive or awe inspiring as Brazil, so I cant vote it in until Brazil makes the cut.

There are a few other movies that wouldn't make my top 100, but I wouldn't necessarily neg vote them. Movies like Gone with the Wind, well there are just better examples of romance out there, but its so far above some of the dreck that's in the running that I just cant vote against .

I will have to disagree on Back to the Future. I think there is much more to the film than nostalgia. The film is genuinely a good film. You just have to take it the right way. It is intended as a parody and satire of the 1950s in all ways. One such way is through its ridiculous science fiction plot, which is making fun of similarly ridiculous plots in those films. Further there were some excellent performances by Christopher Lloyd, who played the "crazy" scientist archetype perfectly and Michael J. Fox who played the hero archetype perfectly as well. The music in the film complemented the film quite well as well. I will agree with you that it should be further back on the list, I just disagree it should not be on the list.

I would put Die Hard on this list just to ensure that there is some action represented. In my opinion, there are not many action films that I consider being that great. Die Hard is one of the few that could possibly qualify. Though it seems that you have a much lower opinion of it than me.

Edward Scissorhands (See Above)

As for Titanic. I do not feel like rewriting my previous comments, so I will re-post what I said before. I will just add I strongly disagree it is not the best Titanic film. It definitely is by far. A Night to Remember is good, but it is nowhere near as good or as accurate as Cameron's Titanic

Here were my original comments:
"I know many will disagree with me, but, other than the clichéd romance, this really is an amazing film. I love Cameron's direction, it really draws one in. Even though the romance is a little unoriginal, there is something about it that makes it more interesting than it should be. The film is also an incredibly accurate vision of sailing and sinking of that great ocean liner. In fact, it is probably the most accurate vision. Throughout the film, there are many references to the time its set, which make it appear more realistic. On that note, the film is visually stunning and contains some of the best historical costumes of a period piece, in my opinion. The music that accompanies the film is absolutely beautiful as well. It complements the film perfectly. A year or two ago they re-released the film in 3-D and, I have to say, that was some of the best 3-D I have ever seen. Sorry, for the long defense on this one, it is just this film receives more hate than I think it should, so I wanted to preemptively protect it."

12 Monkeys (See Above), though I add that I have not seen Brazil, but no matter how good that is, that is no reason to no include this film, in my opinion. If a film is good, it's good, regardless to other films that were made.

[_____V_____]

Well, seems like only 3 films are getting universally accepted from this batch - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, To Kill A Mockingbird & Vertigo.

Safe to assume they stay chosen, in that case our chosen list of films rises to FOURTEEN.

Let's see some more debating on the rest from this batch, before we finalise any from them.

[roshiq]

Originally Posted by _____V_____

I would say Platoon did that at a much more raw, edgy, disturbing and hard-hitting level than Saving Private Ryan.

Originally Posted by realdealblues

Terminator was good, I always liked the gritty feel and the story and if this were a Top 100 of Sci-Fi films, it would be in there, but Top 100 from all genre's, I can't do.

Saving Private Ryan was good for the first 20 minutes in showing what combat is like, but after that I don't feel it offered anything. Come And See or Das Boot were far better War movies. Kubrick's Paths Of Glory & Full Metal Jacket gave us something completely different and I would pick both over Saving Private Ryan.

Pulp Fiction definitely launched Tarantino into the limelight and it was indeed a different style of film, but it doesn't stand as a "great" film to me. Tarantino has done far better and there are plenty of other films that pushed into new boundaries that stand out better as films in my mind.

Ditto & Ditto!

[Straker]

We have 14 or so movies in the list and we are talking about some really ordinary movies like they belong in that elite bracket. I feel like I'm so far removed from the debate at this point that all I'm going to be doing is ragging on peoples favourite films and that's not something I want to do. Its a shame that so many of the amazing movies on our masters list aren't going to get a look in, when compared to some of the flicks with strong support at this early stage, but that's the nature of these types of list I guess.

[The Villain]

I was under the impression that we would be going over the list again after the initial vote so even if we push a film through now it doesn't mean it'll actually make the list right?

[Sculpt]

Gak... this is going to be worse than I thought.

Originally Posted by Straker

We have 14 or so movies in the list and we are talking about some really ordinary movies like they belong in that elite bracket. I feel like I'm so far removed from the debate at this point that all I'm going to be doing is ragging on peoples favourite films and that's not something I want to do. Its a shame that so many of the amazing movies on our masters list aren't going to get a look in, when compared to some of the flicks with strong support at this early stage, but that's the nature of these types of list I guess.

Hang in there, Straker. We're doing 100 films, and in the process the other films will be looked at. There's no sense getting pissed off about films in the list you think are better than these -- simply because we haven't got to them yet.

I say this to hopefully put you in the most lucid state of mind in order to fully ENJOY this: you have to realise it is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE that every film our group of 17 people choose will be films you personally think should be in the top 100 films. Because that would just be your list. The reality is 75% of the films will not be what you'd appraise for 100 films. That's an accurate estimation, wouldn't you agree? This is an easychair exercise of fun when you do it with 17 other folks.

Originally Posted by The Villain

Just personally speaking I wouldn't count a film as one of the best ever just because its funny and quotable

Just to be clear, I didn't select either of those films. And I'm not saying they are worthy only because they are funny or quotable. I was referring to the expertise in comedy film - encompassing the camera angles/movements/compesition, lighting, actors body/facial movements, sets, costumes; story build, flow & execution, & character development.

Originally Posted by Straker

I'm neg voting the following films:
Johnny Depp has scissors: Nope.

Your specific description, or lack there of, has me curious... did you see Edward Sissorhands in it's entirety? I hope none of us neg films we haven't seen.

Edward Sissorhands
None of the films on my Top 20 List are merely personal favorites. I hope none of us makes that dismissive assumption of eachothers' picks, embracing diversity of appreciation instead. But let me start from not my opinion:

RottenTomatoes.com
Critics Rating: 91% (54 reviews), Audience: 91% (1,027,618 ratings)
Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy & Horror Films: (Saturn)
Won: Best Fantasy Film
Won: Best Supporting Actor: Alan Arkin
Won: Best Actress: Winona Ryder
Nominated: Best Supporting Actress, Dianne Wiest
Nominated: Best Music, Danny Elfman
Nominated: Best Costumes
Hugo Awards:
Best Dramatic Presentation
Sant Jordi Awards (Spain)
Best Foreign Film
Best Foreign Actress: Winona Ryder
Grammy Awards
Nominated: Best Instrumental Composition Written for a Motion Picture
British Academy Film Awards
Won: Best Production Design
Won: Best Costume Design
Nominated: Best Special Visual Effects
Nominated: Makeup
Oscars
Nominated: Best Makeup
Golden Globes
Best Comedy Actor: Johnny Depp
New York Film Critics Circle Awards
Best Cinematographer: 3rd place

And my opinion... Edward Sissorhands is the best Romantic film of the last 25 years. That's Romantic, as in Romanticism the art form: intense emotion as an authentic source of aesthetic experience: apprehension, horror, awe, spontaneity, the exotic, passion and love.

Edward Sissorhands: created another world, dealt with conformity, the human tragedy of being different & society's enmity to it, the vulnerability of being an artist, alagories to Frankenstein, Creation, the Christ, etc. Elite technical artistry in cinematography, direction and music; beautiful and deeply moving story.