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Old 08-10-2004, 01:13 PM
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CLIVE BARKER IS GAY??????

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Old 08-10-2004, 01:16 PM
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I have always liked you, Dr.K, and I have been impressed with your extensive knowledge of horror related topics...To be perfectly honest, I am quite surprised to see you, of all people, perpetuating a stereotype of ANY kind...As for being a misfit, or going against what is considered mainstream, wouldn't those who do NOT fit your perception of the typical Republican be even MORE outside of the mainstream?...Bwind (just ONE example), DEFINITELY doesn't fit the profile of the "typical" Republican...People of all races, creeds, religions, gender, sexual orientation, OR Political Affiliation love horror...That isn't because horror is "anti-establishment"...It's because horror is the shit:cool:...I have always believed that a love of horror, is usually associated more with people who are blessed with an abundance of creativity, intelligence, a desire for something "different", and a bit of insanity (which is always cool)...You don't have to be a member of any particular political party to possess these attributes.

BTW...Any comment that includes the words "Republican" or "Democrat" is generally considered to be somewhat political

Here is a picture of 2 "Republicans" that I happen to know personally QUITE well...They are HEAVY into metal...AND HORROR...I also see a bit of green hair and eyeliner (on BOTH of them)...They also love to be considered "misfits", but I do believe that "freaks" is their preferred term, if they must be labeled at all...Above all else, they would detest being considered "normal"...Doesn't the fact that they ARE Republicans, make them even MORE atypical than that which you have described?

Don't be angry...There is more than enough horror to go around, for ALL of us;)
Let me clarify---I AM NOT a Democrat. I distrust ANYONE wearing a suit (except David Bowie). I actually voted for Bush because I didn't agree with Tipper Gore and censorship. My beef with the Republican party RIGHT NOW is their outspoken views on gay marriages, Christianity, and the right to blow away all of our furry little friends.

Horror is a lot of things. It is the one sigle genre that embraces the misfit and the loser (along with the small genre known as the Sam Peckinpah film). But I do beleive horror can be anti-establishment. I think it sometimes needs to be.

I love this genre and everyone who shares that love. But I also like to piss people off. Don't take it personally.

And someone up there on the board somewhere tried to insinuate that I'm just a stupid kid. I'm 34, and I've never been in the mainstream. Just 'cause you get older doesn't mean you automatically sell-out.
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Old 08-10-2004, 01:20 PM
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CLIVE BARKER IS GAY??????
I mean gay as in happy. No, just kidding. Clive is gay. There's actually a pic of him and his husband in the Doug E Winter Clive Barker bio.
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Old 08-10-2004, 01:27 PM
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Horror is not the *only* category that embraces the misfits. There is also Sci-Fi, and... ok, well, Horror and Sci-Fi.

I'm very liberal, I listen to heavy metal, I'm bisexual, but to look at me on the street, you'd think I was a complete square. Please, don't stereotype me as a square, or I'll chop off your nuts and ram them down your throat. Let me be who I am, and I'll let you be who you are.

I am a misfit, don't get me wrong. I'm a very, very, VERY odd person. But you would never know it from looking at me, and it sounds like you would give me a bunch of shit just for looking a certain way. I used to be just like you. Black eyeliner/lipstick/nail polish, hair down to my ass, wallet chains (at one point I was wearing 12 at a time), metal band shirts, Jnco jeans that are 20 sizes too big, the works. I understand where you're coming from, and why you are there. But you need to get over it. You stereotyping people as squares is JUST AS BAD as "squares" stereotyping people like us as being bad or evil.
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Old 08-10-2004, 01:44 PM
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I understand where you're coming from, and why you are there. But you need to get over it. You stereotyping people as squares is JUST AS BAD as "squares" stereotyping people like us as being bad or evil.
I mainly used appearances as an example because it's easy and I'm lazy. You have to realize where I come from...I live in a small redneck town with a population of 3000 people. I don't meet too many people outside of horror conventions and clubs that aren't square. Everyone in this town except me and my small handful of friends are square. The town actually organizes a contest to reward the person who murders the biggest deer every year. Last year on Halloween black kids were suspended for starting a fight with stupid rednecks who wore KKK sheets to school. That's why I still dress the way I do---to offend them and let them know that I'm not one of them. It's a uniform I might not wear constantly if I lived somewhere else.
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Old 08-10-2004, 02:31 PM
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I understand even more now. I grew up in a town of less than 1,000. Hell, the school I went to had more people in it than the town I lived in. My school was a collection of all of the local backwoods towns, so you can imagine what it was like. The high school alone had 1,100 kids, all hicks or spoiled to death preps or jocks. There were very few cool people. I did the same thing as you. I fought them at every turn.

You'll get over it once you get the hell out of that town, but even after that happens, it's still going to take a long while. I'm 20, dropped out of school at 16, and I still have a hard time dealing with some of the shit that happened. But just stick with it, and keep fighting the good fight.

Just don't let yourself become one of them in the process man.
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Old 08-10-2004, 02:35 PM
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CLIVE BARKER IS GAY????????
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Old 08-10-2004, 02:37 PM
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in other news......man discovers fire.
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Old 08-10-2004, 05:17 PM
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lol
my thoughts exactly!
your avatar is mesmerizing......

urge to kill.. rising.

sorry. i got in contacts today and my eyes are buggin out. but still, its mesmerizing
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