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09-11-2006, 06:56 PM
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The whole "where was I" thing?
When the planes hit, it was sometime around 2am (our time). I was asleep, and my girl woke me up to show me what was going on...I was drowsy as all hell, and didn't comprehend it, I actually asked her what movie it was. The next morning when I woke up, I heard the full extent of what had happened, and saw the footage at length. At the time, I had a market research job, work was called off that day. My thoughts? Terrorism has never really "worked" in large...no effective goal is ever really acheived. Destroy your enemies? Sure, but it doesn't really make a point other than the terrorists are dogmatic bastards that can't stand another point of view in the world aside from their own. I mean really, what does it "do"? I wonder if the people behind the attacks (while clearly they don't respect the life of OTHERS, and are willing to "sacrifice" themselves to follow through on that), those dead, and those alive could see how much damage this has done to their innocent countrymen and surrounding areas, would there be regret?...surely some of the living must've though how stupid this is, and wished this ball never really got rolling. Yeah, REAL effective. Your own people, your own family die, you kill others, your country is invaded, and a minority ends up making the majority look like shit to everyone else. Great job. They're REALLY selling their religion huh? I cannot persecute a man for his religious beliefs, but the "extremists" are simply not acting accordingly to ANY religion...I don't believe any religious texts out there say "kill all those with beliefs of their own"...therefore I think it's important to try and not throw a blanket perception over all muslim people, because when you think about it, that's how these extremists are clearly viewing us... Religion has caused a lot of bullshit in the past, not just theirs either, christianity has hardly had a clean run either. I know that this is about more than religion, but when a group is using it as a supposed backing for its cause, it's hard to not bring it up - it's unfortunate that time and again, "faith" and religion is used as an excuse to justify violence towards others. To me, terrorism is just foolish. Sure, maybe I don't understand their perspective, and I never will...but really, what good has it done them? Nothing. Nothing has changed but the bodycount, and kids on both sides growing up in a world their parents have fucked up. Ridiculous. Anyways, sorry for your countries loss doesn't really cover it, so I'll just leave it there.
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You make a lot of good points Cheebs. And for anyone that thinks, what can I do, I'm only one person. Do what I do, take care of your own little space on the earth. Be kind, don't give up on caring about people and help where you can. If enough people do that, we hope it will spread. Of course we also have to recognize a danger when we see or feel it, and do what we can there. I don't really like what our government is doing. Although we also can't take the chance of our coutry to be observed as weenies either. So I'm torn and I'm gonna go back to my original thought to try to do what you can when you can, even if it's only in your own neighborhood. Lead by example.
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One more thing I have to say, and some won't like it, but before you automatically reject the idea, think about if for a while.
If the Jewish people had not been stripped of their legally owned firearms, how could could The Holocaust have happened. They no longer had any means to protect themselves. Please!!!! Do not let that happen to our country. Support the 2nd Amendment, do not give up your last resort to protect yourself from an unjust governemnt. Whether it be "them" or "us".
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It is a shame that it is required at all. If only people weren't so intent on destroying themselves, each other, and everything around them...:(
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09-12-2006, 06:46 AM
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09-12-2006, 07:42 AM
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People are animals. Not in the "You are all a bunch of animals!" rant way, but biologically, we arent protozoa, plants, or fungus. We are animals. We have society, which is an attempt to live within a framework of rules, to hopefully allow everyone to live long, meaningful, productive lives.
Nice idea. But: As animals, we are selfish. on top of that, we are all individuals, with different up bringings and experiences. All of us are damaged in some way, physically and emotionally. how we deal with it is a big part of what defines us. This basic truth is why communism will never work, and is th emajor flaw in Democracy. in a democracy, people, being animals, cheat. we have the same impulses as other animals, and if we dont have the (basically) artificial blocks of morality, then nothing is going to stop us from achieving that goal. Communism fails to take into account that people are individuals, and want to be treated as such. i dont care if i am "Equal" to my neighbor, if i work harder, i want more money, plain and simple. Plus, communist countires have always been run by a seperate autocracy that doesnt follow its own rules it imposes on others. then we get into religious fanatacism. it is basically a collection of the same mental issues that lead to serial killing, cults and gang membership. A need to belong, a need for purpose, over ridign hate, a sense of powerlessness and injustice, a need for control. I have always found it interesting that the people shouting the loudest about the evil in the world are usually the worst ones out there. Jerry Falwell Is a prime example. When 9/11 happened, he suggested all the arabs in the country get deported back to the middle east. Hate like that is evil, zealotry fuels hate, turning something that exists to further good (religiuon) and perverts it into a tool of evil, with the facade of acting for the greater good. Falwell also suggested that "rampant" homosexuality and what amounts to independant women were the reason god punished us with it. Which i dont understand. Why is it the arab's fault if it is our fault? It cant be both.
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09-12-2006, 09:27 AM
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Well, generally, if you're sitting in a room with a bunch of people, someone doesn't just automatically jump up and scream, "I'm really pissed at you, Vod!" for no reason.
I must be inclined to point out the infamous Crusades where Europe launched a similar campaign, with a different objective in that the terrorists aren't trying to reclaim anything. They want revenge, evil, sadistic, loathe bastards that they are. Personally, and maybe I'm a jackass for saying this but fuck it, monotheism, as a belief foundation, is bullocks. It creates an "us them" paradigm whereas polytheism/pantheism does not and allows for all believers of all kinds, even atheists (who don't) to co-exist peacefully, and who gives a fuck. Because basically, all of this bullshit really does boil down to religion. It's those three fucking Abrahamic traditions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) bitching, fighting, and killing each other. The funny thing is that they all recognize the same fucking god. They all believe in pretty much the same fucking thing, except the Christians believe that Jesus was the son o' god, while the other two just believe he was a really nifty prophet. Yet, they're hell bent on killing each other. The funny thing is, these two major world religions are the New Kids on the Block. THEN There are the exceptions... The people who actually got what their religion was all about, and they're trying to talk over a den of idiots yelling at each other. Hammerfan knows what I'm talking about, and what's really interesting about that is that she's a woman, yes, and feminist theology is on the rise and one it's main concerns is eliminating this shit.
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09-12-2006, 09:38 AM
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I would say the trigger of modern (i.e. Islamic) terrorism is the emergence of the USA as the one and only superpower and its interference with the rest of the world.
I personally do not have a problem with America pushing other countries about (some of them probably need it), but I can see why folk in certain affected countries might have. Of course, blowing things up and murdering lots of people isn't a very fair retaliation.
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