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04-06-2005, 05:29 AM
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i can understand the 'defending the castle'
there arent many things as primally offensive as someone violating the home you bought and locked up from freeloading scum ... but there is a big can of worms that gets opened with it.. i'd bet more people have been killed their own guns or guns that were stolen from home owners than criminals killed in self defense. i think this kind of a law is a weak bandage as opposed to a solution. the solution is that the criminal laws have to change. Up here as well as in the USA people are getting away with shit every second because law enforcement is a joke. The time never fits the crime .. it varies from town to town, there is no consistency. I'd love to see a system where criminals paid the FULL penalty of the law .. not get a single second off for good behavior (what the fuck is that anyway ? good behavior ??) No one gets a bullshit break just because they have a better lawyer. and the guys in jail ? They work to pay for their stay. They work jobs like everyone else so that keeping these useless fucks the lenght of time they deserve doesnt cost the tax payer one red cent. not only do they work for their stay, they work to pay the saleries of the people who work in the prisons. They work to build the prisons, they work to pay for renovations on the prisons. You dont want to work ? fine, you're a homeless prisoner .. no shelter, no food. fuck i wish i ran the country. 
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legalized mueder? two words for ya.
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1. Dont touch 2. get away 3. tell an adult I even went as far as leaving guns laying around the house for them to find, unloaded of course, to make sure they understand the concept. They do quite well. The concept is education which most are ignorant of, instead they just run around in fear of an inanimate object that can do no harm just sitting there. Like any tool its the user that determines its use. I think the prison system is loaded with way too many people that dont need to be there, I dont have the time for examples but they sure aint violent criminals.
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04-06-2005, 06:12 AM
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aparently in NY self defense is illegal when you have to defend yourself angainst a relative of a person in govermental power. trust me, i have a tiny criminal record and because of who i am and who this guy is, i got charged when i shouldn't have. maybe i shouldn't have defended myself so that guy could have killed me and gotten a slap on the wrist. but because i wanted to live i am the bad guy. fuck the world.
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04-06-2005, 06:25 AM
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pot possession ..among one .. prostitution.. (2 things that should be legalized and govt. regulated) but then we have another question ... there are a lot of laws you can break without being a violent offender. Some of those broken laws have destroyed lives (fraud for one example), and cost us a ton of money (computer fraud) Or the new favorite .. wittingly having sex with people unaware you're HIV positive. What do we do with these guys ? There has to be a deterrent strong enough to keep people from offending .. and there has to be retribution for those that do. (the same as being a parent .. you always have to carry through with a promised punishment or your word holds no weight) depending on the seriousness (size/scope) of the crime there will no doubt be jail time ..but for the 'small fry' I'm all for seeing them doing community work , etc. (shit - even then it has to be supervised so there goes the taxpayers money again) there arent any easy answers .. except for making the violent offenders work for every cent they cost the system. .. that one seems like a no brainer.
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04-06-2005, 06:28 AM
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i believe in self defense as a last resort. anyone hurts my wife or kid and i'll be the first one to become a violent offender .. self defense is another place where the law constantly fails .. a criminal has no rights in my eyes (while commiting a crime) its always better to get your ass out of the situation, but if you cant .. you should be able to protect yourself by any means neccessary Last edited by urgeok; 04-06-2005 at 06:58 AM.
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You know, I think this gives people a lot of leeway to commit violent crimes against people and then hide under this new mandate. So, I think you're on to something MD.
I mean think about it. There are a lot of crimes committed by spouses that are supposedly "self defence" when in all actuality it's life insurance policies for extraordinary amounts of money. Also, I live on a golf course, under this Florida law, I could potentially shoot a golfer coming in the yard to fetch his ball. That's an extreme example, but I'm saying that gives people with guns too much power. I will say, though, that if someone tries to attack me on the street, she/he is going to have one hell of a fight on their hands. I think that everyone here would understand that. Hopefully, all of you would defend yourselves as violently as necessary. (Girls, we are not helpless, as much as various assailents may think we are.)
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04-06-2005, 07:23 AM
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04-06-2005, 07:31 AM
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that was included in the can of worms i was referring too ... leeway is the key word. Anyone remember the guy on the subway who opened fire on the black kids on the subway a few years back because he felt intimidated ? so you live on a golf course .. i thought i recognized you !! you ever see Bill around anymore ? :)
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