ICP and Twiztid!

[moonsorrow]

*sigh*

[downside]

I've made a post about all of Psychopathic Records in here before, and I got the same type of response. There's no convincing some people of what you like, and truthfully, you shouldn't try to convince people to like them. You either do or you don't. People's opinions should be preserved, whether founded or not.

And I certinaly wouldn't take the time to convince a Grateful Dead fan of Psychopathic's genius. Most likely, this fan is old and bias and not really ready for Psychopathic. Truth be told, I'm not sure why he jumped in in the first place. Not only are we talking a different genre of music, but we're dealing with an age difference of about 30 years.

All this aside, ICP/Twiztid/Blaze stand as my current pick for the best music I can get my hands on. It's creative, enjoyable and it even sends a message every now and then. Music is about entertainment first and foremost, and as a fan of horror in general, I find them highly entertaining.

Juggalo now and forever.

[downside]

Originally posted by BavaPanicFan
I work in the music biz, and a buddy of mine did promo work for ICP when they came to Denver last year. Said the dudes are straight azzholes. He had to stock their dressing room and apparently they asked for rediculous things and then when he wouldn't get them a QP of boomers, they got all pissed and threatened to have him fired. I don't know their names, but one of em tried to fight em when he told 'em to fuck off. And the ICP dude almost got his ass beat by a posse of DU Frat kidswhen he was drinkin at some bar afterwards. Gotta love them Greeks...

In addition to my previous post...what the fuck are you talking about? Whether or not you like the music was probably what this post was about. Assuming your "buddy" exists, and assuming they did act like jerks to him, you could possibly dismiss his story as asinine/exhaggerated/possibly flawed. Or better yet, make up your own mind about them rather than having to be told what to think. Thinking is free, and relatively easy with practice.

[Killer Clown#1]

They both suck big balls:mad: 2 of my friends like them and they wan't me to like them, Fuck that I think I'll stick with Korn and The Dickies(yeah I know i'm weird:p )

[BavaPanicFan]

actually, I'm not "biased"(the word is "biased" not bias,), I listen to all kinds of really good underground hip hop, its just that I would prefer listening to music thats, oh, I don't know, socially conscious, as opposed to some jackasses in bad makeup trying to make a living off of miserable, impressionable, preteen goths who aren't even old enough to buy beer. And"old" yeah, I guess I'm "old" if 21 is old. And I highly doubt that my friend was lying, I know all the stage managers at the Ogden (the place where they had the show) and they all back him up. If you wanna listen to music that emulates horror mvies, I suggest you check out some of the early stuff by Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds, like their album "Murder Ballads". Its actually scary, unlike ICP, who're just fuckin gross.
BTW I'm still waitin for somone to explain to me how ICP is "genius" ...any takers?

[Arioch]

I think we can all say that weve taken some shit for like specific music groups in our lifetimes. I got it bad in high school and middle school for being a goth and im sure icp fans get the same shit. Thus making theyr fans identify with theyre music even more. Im not saying i like theyr music. In fact, i cant stand it and the fact that they rap about they're balls and fucking almost 100% of every song makes me feel like a moron when i happen to catch one of theyr songs.
But everyone has that artist they just identified with growing up, or maybe still identify with, they dont nessesarily need to be talented or original musicians. Just dont jump on these guys too much, ya i think theyr morons too, but im sure theres a couple of bands we could rag on you guys for too.

[nightbreed]

juggalos are mindless consumers who represent nothing but stupidity, blatant ignorance, and mindless banality. you think your indie? yeah right. watch "the merchants of cool", its a documentary about giant corperations and youth culture. about being programmed. and i assure you that your "psychopathic family" has a nice little chunk of the 2 hours devoted to them. listen to some real music. psychopathic is a fucking franchise. if violent j took a nice warm shit in a hat and slapped a hatchet man on it i garantee one of you morons would buy it. sure maybe those fools were underground back in the day of riddlebox, but after milenko dropped those fools became a household name, their raps went soft, and they started pushing more merch than martha stewart. ahem- sold out.

check this out. whoever disagrees i dare any of you to stop listening to psychopathic for like 2 months. stop wearing the gear and all that for like a month and a half. i promise when you start listening to it again youll be like "what the fuck?". youll realize how much of a brainwash it all is.

[moonsorrow]

this is just so stupid, it need no further comment apart from my earlier sigh... but still... why are they making money at all? and prospering?

[downside]

Originally posted by nightbreed
juggalos are mindless consumers who represent nothing but stupidity, blatant ignorance, and mindless banality. you think your indie? yeah right. watch "the merchants of cool", its a documentary about giant corperations and youth culture. about being programmed. and i assure you that your "psychopathic family" has a nice little chunk of the 2 hours devoted to them. listen to some real music. psychopathic is a fucking franchise. if violent j took a nice warm shit in a hat and slapped a hatchet man on it i garantee one of you morons would buy it. sure maybe those fools were underground back in the day of riddlebox, but after milenko dropped those fools became a household name, their raps went soft, and they started pushing more merch than martha stewart. ahem- sold out.

check this out. whoever disagrees i dare any of you to stop listening to psychopathic for like 2 months. stop wearing the gear and all that for like a month and a half. i promise when you start listening to it again youll be like "what the fuck?". youll realize how much of a brainwash it all is.

I disagree with you completely. For someone so educated on the subject of selling out, you might want to do a little more research on what the artists themselves think. ICP in particular have laughed at P.R.'s exploitation of their image, on shot glasses, comics, dolls, stickers, shirts and the like. But have you never sat and thought of the role of said record company? It's to market the artist in anyway possible to get more people to buy. Yes, it happens. And yes, it sucks. But to pinpoint one group out of the millions of others that go through the same thing as a sole reason to not support them, that's just asinine. That's like not supporting any musician that believes in microphone usage.

If ICP hadn't signed on with P.R., they'd not be where the are today (which despite your obvious distaste for them, is fairly successul). Sure, merchandising and "selling out" is the lower side effect of signing to a label. But the benefit of being rich and fmous sometimes outweighs that cost.

Speaking purely in the form of music (all merchandise aside), ICP, Twiztid and other artists on P.R. are extremely entertaining which, despite all attempts to argue against, is just mine (and millions of others) opinion. You can't argue with the FACT that music is entertainment. So despite your half-ass'd argument on the duo selling out, I still find them entertaining at the base.

As a side note: you picked a strange band to label "sell out". After all, these multi-gold/plat artists are one of the few I can think of with little to no airplay, beit video or radio. In the music world, selling millions and making it onto the charts without video/radio is extremely rare.

[downside]

Originally posted by BavaPanicFan
actually, I'm not "biased"(the word is "biased" not bias,), I listen to all kinds of really good underground hip hop, its just that I would prefer listening to music thats, oh, I don't know, socially conscious, as opposed to some jackasses in bad makeup trying to make a living off of miserable, impressionable, preteen goths who aren't even old enough to buy beer. And"old" yeah, I guess I'm "old" if 21 is old. And I highly doubt that my friend was lying, I know all the stage managers at the Ogden (the place where they had the show) and they all back him up. If you wanna listen to music that emulates horror mvies, I suggest you check out some of the early stuff by Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds, like their album "Murder Ballads". Its actually scary, unlike ICP, who're just fuckin gross.
BTW I'm still waitin for somone to explain to me how ICP is "genius" ...any takers?

For a 21 year-old, you sound more like a 12 year old. The whole "i know all the stage managers and they all back him up." thing... well I can do a tripple flip and land on my feet, while on fire. It's your word against mine, so let's just try to stick with some facts.

The fact is, you are still arguing against a very successfull band because you're friend told you too...and yet you're calling other people "impressionable". The "preteen goths" you speak of actually listen to the music and make up their own minds, whereas you...without actually hearing any of it...have already labeled it horrible. You assume only kids listen to it, despite ICP's 11 year history. And above all else, you called a music type "gross". I suppose if you have a weak stomach, you shouldn't listen to ICP.

And although no one has answered your question on "genius" yet, I think it's because the collective fans are rolling their eyes at you. After all, you're someone that doesn't listen to the music, but rather just here complaints from (possibly imaginary) friends. ICP, despite any argument you have, has gather a following very large and nationwide, despite having little to now video/airplay. They've reached tops of charts and sold gold/plat albums. It's this type of success (yes, success) that should make you realize, maybe you're missing something. And even if you listen and you still don't like them, you can't argue that music is about entertainment. Millions of people are entertained buy ICP, which is ICPs one and only requirement. They are doing exactly what they should, hence the success.