Abortion - actual thread

[VampRocker]

Originally posted by Vodstok
I will re-iterate a point here:

Vamp, when you start adopting and funding unwanted children, i think you then have a right to say something. Until then, go away. Is it better for a child to be brought up unwanted and abused? I guess so. AT least you didnt kill it. Much better for it to suffer for years and years rather than not know pain, ever.

So you're saying it's "easier" to kill unwanted children?

Hey, Vodstok, can I kill you? I don't like you, nor will I ever want you, so, based on your theory, I'm allowed to take your life, right? Oh, wait, does that only apply to children? Yeah, I suppose so, since they're so young and inncont...

It's easier!

Way to go, jackass, proving to everyone that you find it much more simpler to murder a human being then to let it live and have a chance at living. Why do you think that YOU have that right, anyways?

Go away.

[VampRocker]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
Yeah...I don't wanna diss him here, but for a "vamp", he sure seems to love the ol' cross-related, huh?

Oh, there are different type of breeds. Don't worry about it...

[Arioch]

If you think it has a soul, which makes it human, which makes abortion wrong, that's fine for you. But you can't make it illegal based on that.

This is the way ive always felt. While some people have huge moral issues over this, i dont see where its anyones right (in any situation) to tell others what they CAN and CANT do to THIER OWN BODIES thats just government stepping in where it doesnt belong.

If you think its evil and wrong then dont have one, but i think its crazy to say "i think its evil, so YOU CANT HAVE ONE". i just dont understand that logic.

[Sam The Egg]

Originally posted by Arioch
This is the way ive always felt. While some people have huge moral issues over this, i dont see where its anyones right (in any situation) to tell others what they CAN and CANT do to THIER OWN BODIES thats just government stepping in where it doesnt belong.

If you think its evil and wrong then dont have one, but i think its crazy to say "i think its evil, so YOU CANT HAVE ONE". i just dont understand that logic.

THANK YOU! That's the point I've been trying to make the whole time. Maybe they'll listen to you. *doubts it*

[VampRocker]

Originally posted by Arioch


If you think its evil and wrong then dont have one, but i think its crazy to say "i think its evil, so YOU CANT HAVE ONE". i just dont understand that logic.

Well, if you were raised to think murder was alright, don't you think you'd be mad at the government for outlawing it? You'd be pissed.

If you think abortion is murder, you'd be horrified to think that the government would allow a go-ahead on it.

If abortion is legal, I only find it fair that manslaughter (towards humans out of the womb) be legal, too.

I just wanna play fair.

[Sam The Egg]

out of the womb: Fully developed, human
in the womb: not developed, not human for like 2 months

There's evidence to back up that theory, where's the evidence to back up yours? I've asked a bunch of times, and noboby's given me any.

[VampRocker]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
out of the womb: Fully developed, human
in the womb: not developed, not human for like 2 months

There's evidence to back up that theory, where's the evidence to back up yours? I've asked a bunch of times, and noboby's given me any.

Haven't I explained it? I think I've explained it...

"in the womb: not developed, not human for like 2 months"

How do you know that? How can ANYBODY know that? It's playing God to assume you do know, for a fact, how humans are created. What do scientists know?

[Arioch]

ok ill grant you that Vamp. But i think once you give the government power to make and break laws governing OTHER PEOPLES morals, its a slippery slope.

Its different with murder, thats infrindging on another persons body, but we're talkin abortion laws here. Thats pretty much saying "you cannot do this to YOUR OWN body, because WE think its wrong".

Granted, the issue we are really trying to resolve is : how long does it take for the fetus to become a living thing, and this is debatable. I think 3rd trimester abortions SHOULD be outlawed because its had so long to develop.

But im personally a fan of making my own decisions, and i think to deny anyone their own right to decide about THEIR own body is dangerous territory.

[Sam The Egg]

they know what makes something a mammal, they know that humans are mammals, and they know when the different things develop.


No, you haven't explained it. Unless "Sam and Fluffho should die" is your explanation

[Sam The Egg]

Originally posted by Arioch
ok ill grant you that Vamp. But i think once you give the government power to make and break laws governing OTHER PEOPLES morals, its a slippery slope.

Its different with murder, thats infrindging on another persons body, but we're talkin abortion laws here. Thats pretty much saying "you cannot do this to YOUR OWN body, because WE think its wrong".

Granted, the issue we are really trying to resolve is : how long does it take for the fetus to become a living thing, and this is debatable. I think 3rd trimester abortions SHOULD be outlawed because its had so long to develop.

But im personally a fan of making my own decisions, and i think to deny anyone their own right to decide about THEIR own body is dangerous territory.

I'm just arguing when it's human. A lot of things are living and we kill them all the time. Animals, plants, even bacteria are all living things. But they're not human so nobody cares.

BTW, do animals not have souls?