And your next Top 100 compilation is...

[_____V_____]

Okay, here we go.

The first set of films, which have scored FIVE or more nominations, are:-

(7 nominations)






(6 nominations)




(5 nominations)

Arguments/objections for/against, if any? Majority decides.

If not, then we can waive all SIX films through and move on to the next set.

[sfear]

Not all that crazy for Star Wars but I won't fight against. More influential than good, I just thought it was an okay story with very impressive special effects. If they would have put all that time, effort and technology into something like Edmond Hamilton's The Star Kings they'd have had a bona fide classic on their hands. My unqualified opinion, of course.

[Sculpt]

Originally Posted by neverending

I pretty much just chose 20 films that popped into my head when I think of "great," without too much thought. If I had stopped to think about it the task would have been too daunting and I would have been bogged down for weeks with internal debate.

It's a terrible task when there are directors, like Kubrick, Scorsese, Coppola, Hitchcock, Robert Altman and Akira Kurosawa, whose entire bodies of work can be considered masterpieces or near, with few missteps. Now I'm regretting RAN wasn't on my list... Nor were any Woody Allen films; like him or hate him, he's one of the most influential filmmakers of the modern era.

I probably broke some rules here mentioning some films by name.

I picked Annie Hall (one of my favorites) from Allen. I think it has good story flow, which can sometimes be disjointed in his films. We'll at least have one. Something tells me our group won't have a lot of Allen.

Originally Posted by metternich1815

Personally, I am a big Star Wars fan with my favorite being A New Hope. Honestly though, I enjoy all of the Star Wars films including the prequel series.

In regards to Star Trek, despite my love for Star Wars, I am a far bigger fan of Star Trek than Star Wars. In my opinion, Star Trek is a more compelling, universal series. To me, it has many more layers and levels of meaning than Star Wars. Related to this, it is absolutely loaded with philosophy, which is a topic I intimately love. By the way, I only regard on screen material as part of either series. I do not take the books and so forth for either series into account. Also, the term "Star Trek" refers to all the shows and movies, not just TOS ("The Old Series").

I wouldn't say the Star Trek films necessarily have more layers of meaning than Star Wars, but the TV shows had more per min than Wars films.

Originally Posted by Straker

I started off with a rough draft of about 40 or so movies then started to thin it out as best I could, but I wasn't ever really satisfied with my final 20. I'm hoping some people have picked up on a few classics that didn't quite make my cut or that I just overlooked altogether and that some of the lesser known classics aren't completely ignored. Its not easy picking just 20 movies.

I ran up about 30 films off the top of my head, and then I looked at about 3 of the more highly regarded lists to catch the ones I missed.

Originally Posted by Kandarian Demon

Picking just 20 movies was incredibly hard - much harder than when we made the horror list, because at least that was limited to one genre. With all genres BUT horror, there was so much to choose from.

As you'll probably find out, I have 4 movies from the same movie franchise on my list, and I debated that a lot with myself - should I just pick the best one of them, and make room for 3 completely different movies. But then again, I couldn't actually choose between what I consider to be 4 incredible works of art, and hated the thought of picking what I felt was a less deserving movie over one of them.

So... my list might be a little "boring" in that way, but my choices came from the heart, and I have a "defence" for every choice... I also fully expect that I'm going to need it!

I think it's proper to pick more than one film from one franchise if you think they're the best.



Ah, the films list got posted a few minutes before my last post...

All of those films were on my list. So yes, those all pass for me.

[neverending]

It's tough to say I pass the entire group without knowing what else is in store.

Having said that, the only two I don't care for that much are Indiana Jones and Star Wars. I remember watching Star Wars during its first week of release, with a group of friends. They all loved it, but I, film snob even back then, felt it set science fiction cinema back to the Flash Gordon era, just as it was finally making strides in presenting sophisticated ideas in films such as 2001 and Silent Running. Still, C3PO, as an homage to Metropolis, was fun.

I won't argue against them.

Originally Posted by Sculpt

I picked Annie Hall (one of my favorites) from Allen. I think it has good story flow, which can sometimes be disjointed in his films. We'll at least have one. Something tells me our group won't have a lot of Allen.

Many years ago (MANY) I read a book contrasting the films of Woody Allen and Mel Brooks. They quoted an interview with Allen saying he wanted to elevate comedy film making; he felt that comedy films never got big budgets, and invariably looked cheap. The prevailing wisdom being that comedy didn't need a budget to be funny. Allen finally got his chance with Annie Hall, and got an Academy Award for his efforts.

[Sculpt]

Originally Posted by neverending

It's tough to say I pass the entire group without knowing what else is in store.

Having said that, the only two I don't care for that much are Indiana Jones and Star Wars. I remember watching Star Wars during its first week of release, with a group of friends. They all loved it, but I, film snob even back then, felt it set science fiction cinema back to the Flash Gordon era, just as it was finally making strides in presenting sophisticated ideas in films such as 2001 and Silent Running. Still, C3PO, as an homage to Metropolis, was fun.

I won't argue against them.

I'm a sci-fi buff. The more detailed, science orientated and philosophical the better. So I know what you mean. Still, I think the key element of Star Wars was the multiple metaphysical/paranormal/Eastern philosophical elements of the force. Most of which isn't alien to sci-fi.

[The Villain]

The only one i have a problem with is Citizen Kane. I always felt that it was highly overrated. I feel like it gets included on lists like these because its been called one of the best movies of all time without actually being one. People just instinctively throw it in. I never really understood the hype.

[metternich1815]

Those look good to me. I was never a big fan of Raiders of the Lost Ark, but it is not a bad inclusion. I have to disagree with what some have said on Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope. While the others are debatable, the original film was incredible. in my opinion, the best of the series, though Empire Strikes Back is a close second. I will agree it is simpler than other science fiction works (including its main competitor Star Trek), but it still does have a good deal of layer. The film encompasses universal ideas and, honestly, I felt it was a solid story. It could have been better, but it was still interesting. There were also some excellent performances by all involved. Sure, Mark Hamill was not perfect, but still a solid performance. Not to mention the fact that it introduced one of the most menacing villains of cinema: Darth Vader. The film also contained a beautiful score by John Williams, which has since gone down as one of the greatest scores of all time, not to mention one of the most recognizable. This does not even take into account the special effects, which were incredible and the film was equally stunning visually. One unfortunate aspect of the Star Wars films of note is that it seems George Lucas is always releasing a new version. I do not want to get on the Lucas hating bandwagon, but, personally, I think, better or worse, he should not have touched the films. I am sure they were fine as is. Most of the other films speak for themselves, so I won't go into them. All of the others are tremendous films though.

Originally Posted by Sculpt

I wouldn't say the Star Trek films necessarily have more layers of meaning than Star Wars, but the TV shows had more per min than Wars films.

To be clear, when I refer to Star Trek, I refer to everything collectively, unless I specifically define, not just the movies per say.

Originally Posted by The Villain

The only one i have a problem with is Citizen Kane. I always felt that it was highly overrated. I feel like it gets included on lists like these because its been called one of the best movies of all time without actually being one. People just instinctively throw it in. I never really understood the hype.

That is one film I did not think I would have to defend. I have to disagree strongly. I agree that it is not the greatest film of all time, but there is no doubt it is among the greatest. The story was compelling. It was interesting to see the evolution of the character Kane. The film also pioneered many film techniques and narrative techniques never used in film before. Related to this, the cinematography was incredible. It added just what was necessary to the film. There were some excellent performances, particularly the main character. When I first saw the film, I was blown away. It was definitely one of the best black and white films I had ever seen. It has been a while since I have seen it, so I can't discuss it in great detail.

[_____V_____]

Originally Posted by The Villain

The only one i have a problem with is Citizen Kane. I always felt that it was highly overrated. I feel like it gets included on lists like these because its been called one of the best movies of all time without actually being one. People just instinctively throw it in. I never really understood the hype.

Same here. Orson Welles did a great job, but the film as a whole isn't as awesomely great as people make it to be.

Don't get why people love Casablanca and Gone With The Wind so much either.

Brando's On The Waterfront is a much better film, IMO, and doesn't get as much attention as the big 3 afore-mentioned.

[neverending]

It could have been better, but it was still interesting.

This qualifies it as one of the best films of all times?



Yes, I know I just cherry picked a single sentence from your entire post, ignoring the rest. I'm just saying.

[metternich1815]

Originally Posted by _____V_____

Same here. Orson Welles did a great job, but the film as a whole isn't as awesomely great as people make it to be.

Don't get why people love Casablanca and Gone With The Wind so much either.

Brando's On The Waterfront is a much better film, IMO, and doesn't get as much attention as the big 3 afore-mentioned.

I entirely disagree on Citizen Kane, as discussed and I also disagree on Casablanca. Casablanca had a compelling story that drew me in. I was captivated until the very end. There were some terrific performances as well particularly Humphrey Bogart. I also enjoyed the romance. I am not a big romance persnon, but I thought it was well done in this film. Not to mention the classic ending at the end of the movie. All-around a great movie and definitely a worthy addition to a greatest films list. I do agree on Gone with the Wind. I think that one was overrated. It's good, but not as much as is often said, in my opinion. I will have to check out On the Waterfront.

Originally Posted by neverending

This qualifies it as one of the best films of all times?



Yes, I know I just cherry picked a single sentence from your entire post, ignoring the rest. I'm just saying.

I was just saying that the story could have been a little more complex and been tweaked a little, but the other elements of the film more than make up for it, in my opinion (that part of my statement was really referring to the story, not the film as a whole, by the way).