Gender vs Gender

[milktoaste]

Only once in a blue moon is a fight between a man and a woman a fair one. Fair as in equal size and physical ability. Even more rare than that are fights that are stacked in a womans favor(against a man). That's not a stereotype, that's a real life fact that we cannot escape. If a woman hits a man with a beer bottle, is it ok to react and punch her for it? I still say no. Does it happen? Yes, but wether it's an 11 yr old, an elderly person, or someone much smaller than you(be it a woman or not) it's not ok to strike someone who is unable to defend themselves from your strikes. In a fight between two men, the same rule(if you will) applies. When one guy is down or is clearly outmatched, fights over. If a 235lb. woman with heavy hands starts beating the Hell out of me, I can't say I wouldn't hit her. If I did, I know I'd feel like a total asshole for doing it.

Don't hit a lady, is the same as saying don't hit anyone who isn't doing anything wrong. I still disagree with the term 'lady' being a stereotype. Anyone can act like a lady, it's not a permanant title, it's a compliment and I beleive any of us can tell the difference between a lady and not.

[milktoaste]

Originally Posted by Haunted

If some old woman hits you with her bag just because she doesn't like the way you look, you need to address her firmly but politely. Older people are delicate (except for Newb, of course).

However, setting up standards for women to follow is bullshit, and many of us are tired of it. .

It's exactly the same as an elderly lady, atleast 98% of the time it is. And it's about setting up standards for men. If I was telling you how a woman should behave, that would be a different story. As a man, we need to be aware that we are generally stronger than women and shouldn't abuse that strength.

[Zero]

i'd say it best not to hit anyone and certainly not anyone smaller/weaker than you (esp if you can avoid/restrain them) - woman, man, monkey it shouldn't really matter

[Haunted]

Milktoast, I don't care how strong you think you may be, but if you hit me, and I got up and kicked you square in the balls, you'd go down. Then I'd slam your face into my knee. I weigh 124lbs and I'm 5'6 with a medium frame, but that doesn't matter. I just hit you at a vulnerable point. Never underestimate the power of a woman to know how to hurt a man.

[milktoaste]

Sorry Haunted, but I am that strong and woman are just as vulnerable to a crotch shot as any man. So your argument seems kinda silly, do you think it would be ok for me to kick you in the box if you had hit me in the face? As funny as that sounds, that would make us both wrong, wouldn't it?

[ferretchucker]

Originally Posted by milktoaste

If a woman hits a man with a beer bottle, is it ok to react and punch her for it? I still say no. Does it happen? Yes, but wether it's an 11 yr old, an elderly person, or someone much smaller than you(be it a woman or not) it's not ok to strike someone who is unable to defend themselves from your strikes.

But I'd say that if they've hit you with a beer bottle for something as small as that, they don't deserve to defend themselves. They've clearly shown that they don't consider their size to matter so you must acknowledge that.

[milktoaste]

Originally Posted by ferretchucker

But I'd say that if they've hit you with a beer bottle for something as small as that, they don't deserve to defend themselves. They've clearly shown that they don't consider their size to matter so you must acknowledge that.

No. Just because some girl wants to act crazy(like that never happens) and hit a man with whatever, doesn't mean he should have to resort to punches right away. Women do crazy things like that all the time-not all women, but it does happen. Any self respecting person would try and restrain someone like that and/or remove them from the situation. A judgement call has to be made if a man were swinging a bottle just the same.

[Roderick Usher]

I was involved in a scuffle in a bar with a frat-boy (this was waaaay back in my college days) when all of a sudden the frat-boy's girlfriend grabbed my arm and bit my hand.

I tried to simply shake her free, but she clamped down and I was bleeding.

I puncherd her square on the brindge of the nose. She fell back screaming and bleeding from the nose. That's when the Frat Boy's friends got involved for me "hitting a girl" and I got my ass kicked.

But the look on that stupid bitch's face as her nose started bleeding made it almost worth getting my ass kicked.

[Haunted]

Originally Posted by milktoaste

Sorry Haunted, but I am that strong and woman are just as vulnerable to a crotch shot as any man. So your argument seems kinda silly, do you think it would be ok for me to kick you in the box if you had hit me in the face? As funny as that sounds, that would make us both wrong, wouldn't it?

That was only an example of what I could do. I resent being defered to as "the weaker sex." Part of what goes into a good fight is smarts. Women believing they are weak is what get's them into cars, bushes, and ditches. We need to learn to defend ourselves. We've got to stop listening to that old rhetoric that we're weak and defenseless to you assholes. It's not true.

[ferretchucker]

Originally Posted by Roderick Usher

I was involved in a scuffle in a bar with a frat-boy (this was waaaay back in my college days) when all of a sudden the frat-boy's girlfriend grabbed my arm and bit my hand.

I tried to simply shake her free, but she clamped down and I was bleeding.

I puncherd her square on the brindge of the nose. She fell back screaming and bleeding from the nose. That's when the Frat Boy's friends got involved for me "hitting a girl" and I got my ass kicked.

But the look on that stupid bitch's face as her nose started bleeding made it almost worth getting my ass kicked.

Exactly. She thought she was above being hit simply because she's got tits and you reminded her of the facts. It isn't a nice thing, but to me it sounds like in that situation there weren't many other options.