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Old 08-15-2006, 06:59 AM
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Good horror is like a good film in any genre, it is made with intelligence, and at the very least, passion for the genre.


Movies like Alien are works of art by master artists. John Carpenter made good movies, or at least watchable ones because he had a clear passion for the subject matter and cared enough to create an atmosphere.

Most of what gets called horror these days could not be farther from it. It is a special effects movie, basically an action flick with horror trappings.
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Old 08-15-2006, 07:25 AM
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it comes down to the actors really ..


1) most no budget films cannot afford A list actors. Most horror no budget films employ pitifully untalented nobodies and try to make do.

occasionally a good no budget film is made by a clever filmmaker who knows how to make the most of what he has available to him.

2) most A list actors will review a project and have enough brains to avoid it if it's shit. Occasionally a good actor will make a bad film when fallen upon hard times/in need of work/doing a favor..etc

Shitty actors will do absolutely anything to be in absolutely anything.

3) great actors are respected - bad actors aren't.

this translates directly to the films they are in.


the other huge factor is music. I cannot stress this enough.

80's direct to video horror has either shitty synth music .. a la Richard Band,
or terrible metal music - usually provided by a friend of the filmmaker.

I dont know which i hate the most - probably the Richard Band style keyboard garbage - just because absolutely everyone does it - to this day still.

it has ruined more horror movies for me than any other element.

Last thing : Lighting.
Shitty movies always have this god awful lighting .. in labs/spaceships/the woods, where there is a green or red glow emanating from ... wherever.
A sad attempt to create atmosphere ...all it does is stamp yet another CHEAP ASS label all over the film.


Gregory Peck was in The Omen for chrissakes ... that commands respect.
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Old 08-15-2006, 07:50 AM
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Good points.. Ridley scott was bright enough to employ well established actors for that very reason. He took a chance on sigourney weaver, but padded the rest of the cast with people who had been in the business for a couple of decades already:

Veronica Cartwright
Ian Holm
John Hurt
Yaphet Kotto
Harry Dean Stanton
Tom Skerrit

All had been doing movies at least since the 60s.. Hell, Veronica Cartwright was a child actor.

Plus, he used Jerry Goldsmith for the music (he also did Poltergeist) who already had a loooong track record, including the Omen.

Granted all of this took money, but Ridley Scott took the time and effort to brow-beat as much out of the studio execs as he could.
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and then he made a gothic horror in a sci-fi setting ...

smart and effective move ..
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I think if there was any chance of some respect by the masses, it's been ruined by the remakes and shitfilms released in the last 4 years or so. Think about it. All new horror today isn't really released as a "movie", but more a popular pre-teen girls' activity. PG-13 "thriller" horror (I cannot believe they tagged 'Wicker Man' with one) is utter shit: The critics know it, anyone over the age of 16 knows it...the genre is actually losing respect.

The 60s can brag about Psycho.
The 70s can brag about Halloween.
The 80s can brag about Hellraiser.
The 90s can brag about Silence of the Lambs.

Today, we can brag about a fucking remake of The Fog, rated PG-13 for some frightening moments and mild sensuality.


For Chrissake...
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I respect all horror......cept UWE BOLL.
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Oh come on now.... He deserves respect.


Wait, does respect mean "Bludgeoning", because that is what i meant...
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Old 08-15-2006, 08:28 AM
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Oh come on now.... He deserves respect.


Wait, does respect mean "Bludgeoning", because that is what i meant...
I hear ya homie.....I have more respect for Ed Wood.
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Hey, Ed wood had enthusiasm. Uwe boll's movies are more like "hey, I bought a license! I can use it to make money. when im having some coffee and a smoke, ill write something"


*6 hours later*

I have a script! lets get filming. i have 3 more licenses!
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I think if there was any chance of some respect by the masses, it's been ruined by the remakes and shitfilms released in the last 4 years or so. Think about it. All new horror today isn't really released as a "movie", but more a popular pre-teen girls' activity. PG-13 "thriller" horror (I cannot believe they tagged 'Wicker Man' with one) is utter shit: The critics know it, anyone over the age of 16 knows it...the genre is actually losing respect.

The 60s can brag about Psycho.
The 70s can brag about Halloween.
The 80s can brag about Hellraiser.
The 90s can brag about Silence of the Lambs.

Today, we can brag about a fucking remake of The Fog, rated PG-13 for some frightening moments and mild sensuality.


For Chrissake...
The 90's could also brag about Se7en. I think 00's have a couple horror movies that are bragging-worthy. Kaïro, Shadow of the Vampire, American Psycho, Devil's Rejects, and Three...Extremes are all worth bragging about. Maybe not all of them to the extent that the ones you mentioned are, but we certainly have more to brag about nowadays than teen horror remakes starring actors from Lost
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