Touchy Subject

[Posher778]

Originally Posted by PR3SSUR3

Did you really need to quote being the following post, and really have to repaste that disgusting picture as well as the words?

But you like my cartoon tits.

Not sure about your avatar, though.

It says bitch. I don't think that broke any rules. However, nudity IS supposedly against the rules.

[PR3SSUR3]

Who's nude? She's got pants on, and a top hat.

Or do you mean the lady having the baby?

Or is it because the baby's nude?

:confused:

[horrorobsessed]

veering a little off subject aren't we?


anyway, thanks so much for all the material.

i haven't really voiced much on the subject, and since i made the thread i guess it's only appropriate.

like i said before, i don't agree with abortion and it's by no means moral, but sometimes it's necessary. what if the mother's life was in danger? having some experience with this, i would rather save the mother than a mass of cells that doesn't even have a heartbeat yet. also, if a teenage girl is stupid enough to go off and have sex (with or without protection) she should deal with her mistake. however, the teenage body of, say a 12-15 year old girl is in no way mature enough to carry a child for nine months, then give birth. that could cause serious damage to the mother and the baby. why risk it? also, there have also been other cases where an older man will rape a child, and in that very slim chance, she will get pregnant. now if a teenager's body is not equipped enough to carry a child, how will a small child's body be?

on the other hand, if a girl keeps the baby, gives birth to it, and wants to give it up for adoption, how can she? if you carry a child for nine months you a part of it, i know i couldn't give it up. and if you just hand the baby over to a social worker it could end up in foster care. yes, there are good foster families out there, but there are also a lot of bad ones too. i guess i can't base my opinion of the system on my experience though, because that would be slightly biased. and there are statistics of children that go into foster care that get adopted, but with the population rising, a 100,000 or so kids won't be enough some day. and with all the girls have sex (again using an interpretation taken from my high school) there will be a lot of children needing to be adopted.

in short, sometimes abortion is the right answer, but most of the time it's not. i would never abort my child, but if it was a question between my life or its, or even both of us dying, i would probably take that step that is abortion. but i would also have to live with it for the rest of my life and always wonder about the little child that could have been. OH HELL, i'm confusing myself. how am i supposed to pick a side and persuade people about it?!?

[Shadow]

Good discussion.

The way I look at it is from the second the egg is fertilized a new life form is created. From then on it is growing and living, a little miracle. Some woman cant have children and others kill them off before they even have a chance. In my opinion a woman is privileged when she carries a child. I believe I would deal with any circumstances and fight anything to give my child a life. I believe women need more support when pregnant especially young women and those in special circumstances. Woman who have abortions probably feel that it is the only way, they are probably without support and feel alone.

Also I think a child is just as much the mans as it is the woman's.

[PR3SSUR3]

Author Jim Morton on the murder of pregnant Sharon Tate by the Manson 'family', from his book 'Manson Movie Madness'

"Much is made of the horror of killing a pregnant woman but let's face the ugly facts. If Polanski and Tate's child had grown up to be this wonderful kid imbued with his mother's good looks and his father's talent., then yes, the death of this child was, indeed, ghastly, but the odds are against this. Historically, the children of Hollywood couples grow into fucked-up, jaded adults with no more talent than the average lorry driver, and all the social skills of the Manson Family members themselves. Certainly, the killing of this child was a tragedy, but - as cruel as it sounds - maybe, just maybe, Tex Watson did us all a favour."

Pretty harsh viewpoint to say the least, but there is something in there about these 'little miracles' that spawn from us. It's easy to get all doe-eyed about having babies, and without them the human race would cease, but reproduction is natural for living things, and certainly not a privilege.

The world population has multiplied seven-fold since the turn of the 19th century - with people living longer and more babies popping out all over the place, each of them requiring food, fuel and a place to live, what state the planet in a thousand years time?

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by PR3SSUR3

Author Jim Morton on the murder of pregnant Sharon Tate by the Manson 'family', from his book 'Manson Movie Madness'

"Much is made of the horror of killing a pregnant woman but let's face the ugly facts. If Polanski and Tate's child had grown up to be this wonderful kid imbued with his mother's good looks and his father's talent., then yes, the death of this child was, indeed, ghastly, but the odds are against this. Historically, the children of Hollywood couples grow into fucked-up, jaded adults with no more talent than the average lorry driver, and all the social skills of the Manson Family members themselves. Certainly, the killing of this child was a tragedy, but - as cruel as it sounds - maybe, just maybe, Tex Watson did us all a favour."

Pretty harsh viewpoint to say the least, but there is something in there about these 'little miracles' that spawn from us. It's easy to get all doe-eyed about having babies, and without them the human race would cease, but reproduction is natural for living things, and certainly not a privilege.

The world population has multiplied seven-fold since the turn of the 19th century - with people living longer and more babies popping out all over the place, each of them requiring food, fuel and a place to live, what state the planet in a thousand years time?

As to how a child grows up is to do with the parents. If the parents are incapable then adoption should be considered. I do not believe it is better to just kill a child rather than give the child a chance.

Over population is a problem. People should consider having children as a privilege and not just pop them out all over the place, here and there, one after the other. Abortion is not necessarily the answer though. Use precautions, be responsible for your actions. It is natural for humans to want to reproduce but we have evolved and should be able to over-come primitive urges.

[ferretchucker]

Well, I don't know why people don't want children. I understand if they're under 21 or something but I can't wait til I have kids. But i suppose like I said earlier, it depnds on the circumstances.

[zwoti]

pro choice

[monalisa]

Originally Posted by stubbornforgey

Oh boy..what a topic.

1st of all Mona..as to the child being stabbed 135 times rather than being aborted..how do you figure this..
Just think..this living..breathing..tiny little creature,,with a heartbeat and a pulse is subjected to this kind of ordeal.
An adult can't stand being pricked by a needle..how the hell is it compared to a baby having a knife plunged into it multiple times...

Despare referred to a case up here in Minnesota that happened recently where a teenage girl gave birth to a healthy baby, but then stabbed it 135 times and threw it in a garbage can. She knew about the law where you can drop a newborn off at any hospital, no questions asked, but she chose to stab the child 135 times instead. Her defense is that she was going to have an abortion anyway. I asked if being stabbed 135 times after it was born was better for the child than being aborted before it even new it existed. THAT's how I figure this.

Originally Posted by stubbornforgey

As for the child being aborted..same thing..it is vaccumed out of the womb on high suction..however..whether the baby feels anything is just a theory..nobody knows for sure as the abortion will only take place if the fetus is 2.3 weeks old.
(professionally) and it is considered that at that stage..the baby hasn't quite taken any shape or form.
As i said..this is not factual..just theorised.

I agree, no one knows if the aborted embryo or fetus feels anything. I guess that depends on at what stage the central nervous system developes. I personally don't know.

Originally Posted by stubbornforgey

The arguement about men vs woman is probably one of the lamest i have ever come across..
what the hell has this to do with this topic..?
It all has to do with the woman and her choices.
Is she right for choosing to terminate a pregnancy..?
unless people know her exact frame of mind at the time..then who are we to judge or to pass comment...she is the one who has to live with the choices she makes.

I'm not sure what you mean about the men vs woman arguement being lame, but never mind that. The key word you used in the rest of that part of your post is CHOICE. I agree, there should be an option for the woman going through it to make that CHOICE.

Originally Posted by stubbornforgey

and Rayne : maybe it is impossible to get pregnant after being raped (maybe in theory only)
they say its because of the trauma etc..however
..but not highly unlikely..and i am from the heart talking from experience.
There is always that chance..once the penis penetrates a vagina and once the seed has been ejeculated..that pregnancy is likely to occur.

Personally however: I would not abort in any situation.
To kill something as precious as baby under any circumstances is not an option i would happily follow..whether this child is being diagnoses with some kind of rare disease or not..whether it was conceived through rape or not.
This child is a clone to me and just like me..this fetus has a right to be able to be born and be subjected to thier own experiences.
Birthing is a painful and yet..its probably one of the most beautifulest sensations ever.

Personally, I would chose to have the baby under most circumstances too. But I do not have the right to make that decision for someone else. I know, all that is a repeat of what I said before, but so what.

[chaibill]

Its so funny that most Pro Lifers are also war suporters. So don't kill unborn babies but kill enemy combatants and civilians, which many are childern, but not our christian babies please don't kill our christian babies. Jesus must be proud.

And abortion is here to stay because with out it there would be an undergound abortion movment.

the solution is to stop unwanted pregnancy. By using condoms and teaching the hip hop crowd that condoms are useful and they won't be less of a man if they use them.