North Dakota Pipeline Protest

[TheBossInTheWall]

Have you guys been following the North Dakota Pipeline protests? Its fucking awful what the police are doing. If the majority of the protestors weren't native american the political situation would be a lot better for the protestors.

Here is Brave Bull Allard talking about her daughter that was arrested by police for literally doing nothing and thrown in jail naked for a day. Also about how this is their land and the company(forget name) that is trying to bull doze them and the government is hands off except for the local police who are acting like thugs. Yet again the US government is breaking treaties. Heavily armed police for peaceful protests and at one point bringing a former military vehicle to to a small prayer gathering(not protest).

[anglewitch]

This thread needs to be on the true crime or the events and happenings threads.

[hammerfan]

Originally Posted by anglewitch

This thread needs to be on the true crime or the events and happenings threads.

Telling me how to do my job?

[anglewitch]

Originally Posted by hammerfan

Telling me how to do my job?

*breaks out in a sweat*

Noooo masterrr...

[Dead Bad Things]

Yeah I know some Rainbows who are out there protestin' and settin' up kitchens and stuff.....Fuck Big Oil!
The government putting the rights of corporations before indigenous peoples ...big surprise.
Didn't expect ta see anything about it round here tho....

[Sculpt]

Originally Posted by TheBossInTheWall

Have you guys been following the North Dakota Pipeline protests? Its fucking awful what the police are doing. If the majority of the protestors weren't native american the political situation would be a lot better for the protestors.

Here is Brave Bull Allard talking about her daughter that was arrested by police for literally doing nothing and thrown in jail naked for a day. Also about how this is their land and the company(forget name) that is trying to bull doze them and the government is hands off except for the local police who are acting like thugs. Yet again the US government is breaking treaties. Heavily armed police for peaceful protests and at one point bringing a former military vehicle to to a small prayer gathering(not protest).

I want to go 100% renewable (say, completed in 40-50 yrs).

But let me play devil's advocate here. I followed this story some; and I haven't heard the key info. All i've heard about is the protests and thugish civil rights breaking arrest and detenions...


Without guessing... what was the process, deal and legal decision(s) by which this particular section of route was selected for the pipeline?


I don't believe an oil co just started laying pipe over reservation tribal nation land. There was surely discussion, planning, legal deals, etc.

The little I caught was some in the tribe said they weren't properly consulted about the route. But there was obviously some deal made, some compensation, what I don't know. Therein lays part of the solution to this conflict.

[ImmortalSlasher]

I heard about it. I still haven't read the full situation. News media doesn't cover it from what I've seen. But Native, original true Americans really get treated unfairly. I believe there was a story some months ago about a chemical turning a river like orange or something. That was barely covered on the news too.

[TheBossInTheWall]

It seems 84 people were arrested yesterday and apparently the protestors have had drones they were using that were shot down and there are government drones and planes flying over the camp all day and night. All roads are blocked. And as far as I can tell none of these people are armed. Certainly not violent or a threat to be. I do not have a direct link because its from a facebook post by someone who's at the camp.

Not sure if you'll be able to view it, but its here:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

[Jake.Ashworth]

Ok... So this seems like a case of under informed informing more under informed and so on until everyone is under informed. So the argument is this, the pipeline would carry 400,000 barrels of oil from the oil fields in North Dakota to Illinois where it can be processed and supply us with fuel and electricity that doesn't come from Saudi Arabia. It is 1100 miles long, the contended area is about 10 miles where it passes below the Missouri river. A tribe called the Standing Rock Sioux Indian Reservation (whos leaders reviewed and agreed to terms with the Army Corp of Engineers) is upset because the pipeline violates what they consider sacred land. The problem being the sacred land is not on their reservation but ten miles north of their reservation making their anger really inconsequential. Its actually a pretty small group but "activists" have joined the group because people love to start trouble and now its blowing up into a huge thing. The Indians involved where sold out by their leaders and have no ground to stand on. The pipeline will make the movement of oil from point A to point B drastically safer as right now the oil is moved via trains on a very aged rail system that will not be able to maintained at a reasonable level for much longer. Stopping the movement of that 400,000 barrels of oil would be catastrophic to our economy and give foreign oil a better foot hold in the states. Logic will prevail, the pipeline will be completed, and the world will move on as it does with every so called tragedy. This is another case of a non issue being blown up into an issue buy activists or as I like to call them domestic terrorists.

Also, a single drone was shot out of the air over last weekend and that was because it was dipping and buzzing police. 70 protestors where arrested, almost none of the arrested belonged to the Standing Rock Sioux Nation. And there is no proof anyone was jailed naked for a day.

[TheBossInTheWall]

Originally Posted by Jake.Ashworth

Ok... So this seems like a case of under informed informing more under informed and so on until everyone is under informed. So the argument is this, the pipeline would carry 400,000 barrels of oil from the oil fields in North Dakota to Illinois where it can be processed and supply us with fuel and electricity that doesn't come from Saudi Arabia. It is 1100 miles long, the contended area is about 10 miles where it passes below the Missouri river. A tribe called the Standing Rock Sioux Indian Reservation (whos leaders reviewed and agreed to terms with the Army Corp of Engineers) is upset because the pipeline violates what they consider sacred land. The problem being the sacred land is not on their reservation but ten miles north of their reservation making their anger really inconsequential. Its actually a pretty small group but "activists" have joined the group because people love to start trouble and now its blowing up into a huge thing. The Indians involved where sold out by their leaders and have no ground to stand on. The pipeline will make the movement of oil from point A to point B drastically safer as right now the oil is moved via trains on a very aged rail system that will not be able to maintained at a reasonable level for much longer. Stopping the movement of that 400,000 barrels of oil would be catastrophic to our economy and give foreign oil a better foot hold in the states. Logic will prevail, the pipeline will be completed, and the world will move on as it does with every so called tragedy. This is another case of a non issue being blown up into an issue buy activists or as I like to call them domestic terrorists.

Also, a single drone was shot out of the air over last weekend and that was because it was dipping and buzzing police. 70 protestors where arrested, almost none of the arrested belonged to the Standing Rock Sioux Nation. And there is no proof anyone was jailed naked for a day.

I have not found any articles claiming the tribal leaders were paid. The land is sacred to them and was claimed theirs in a treaty in 1861. Another broken treaty. Those 'activists' are members of many other tribes from our country, not just the local sioux tribe. And I would not be surprised if non-native americans were involved in this too. Why wouldn't they be?

Safer? It was initially supposed to go near a town called Bismarck, but it was decided it was not safe due to being near their water supply. The water supply it is now going near is part of sioux land and that water also goes to lots and lots of other people.
Here's a nice list of oil pipeline accidents from 2000-2016. Does not read as safe at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_21st_century

Yes, agreed as far as I can tell just a single drone of the protestors was shot down. But the police were still using their own. As well as guns, a sniper, at least one concussion grenade, and military vehicles for a peaceful protest.
Can you cite an article saying of the 70 arrested mostly not sioux? Were they not of other native tribes? And the number is at 300 now.
As for being thrown in a cell naked, I watched an interview with the mother of the girl and she told the story. You can claim she's lying if you want, but I don't see it.