[Vodstok]

The slasher thread got me thinking about this... I vastly prefer the "Dark Drama/Suspense/Thriller" type movie over the run-of-the-mill horror slasher.

here are some of the ones i either love, or at least like:
Se7en
Saw
Any Dirty Harry movie
Texas Chainsaw Massacre (think about it, it was pure psychology)
Anything with Hannibal Lecter


Anyway, you get the point. These movies are much more methodical, and usually do a better job of building suspense then "idiot girl running through woods, chased by slow moving man with a big blade"

Do i include TCM in that? Not really, Although there is a running through the woods scene, Leather face is clearly hauling ass and is having a hard time of it because he is wearing a mask and swinging a chainsaw (ironic, too, that there is only one chainsaw related death in the whole movie...)

Hannibal lecter is, again, interesting, but moreso are the people he is "helping" to put away. Buffalo Bill was a great example of a "Sick fuck", he was a great mix of Ed Gein, Ted Bundy, and a couple of others i cant think of right now. The Tooth Fairy from Red Dragon was a great example of what abuse can do, and he wasnt a straight foward psycho, he actually cared about at least 1 other person (VERY rare in sociopaths).

In their hearts, all Dirty Harry movies are about serial killers, with the possible exception of The Enforcer, but even that had a psycho hwho simply killed for pleasure. Hell "Scorpio" from the original Dirty Harry was the Zodiac killer.

Saw was just clever. Unrealistic, over the top, but clever and devious, the writer and director obviously cared about the subject matter.

Se7en tops my list so i saved it for last. I love John Doe, not just because of who plays him. He is amazingly clever, smart, dedicated and motivated. Plus, it has one of the most EVIL endings in any movie. I remember walkingout of the theater pissed and confused. I had never experienced a movie with such a dark, hopeless ending before. Seven actually lead directly to the ending of my story Bearwood. If you've read it, you can probably guess what i am referring to.