Who are you voting for in November?
 

Hey guys,

Seeing as the political debate forum was never created (ahem, Horror), I'm posting this here.

Who are you voting for this November and why? Let's try to keep this civilized. Full answers, not just "Because Kerry/Bush is stupid" would be nice.

Also, if you won't be voting or can't vote, let us know who you WOULD vote for if given the oppurtunity.

Kerry

i definitely lean more towards liberal/demo. and come on, trying to get sam sex marriage outlawed in the constitution? nicca please

if i could vote, i would have to vote for ?????:confused: .......well someone else, bush doesnt occassionally say what he means and mean what he says. but as far as kerry goes, the whole purple heart thing...its getting old and also....i really dont trust they way he looks at "the people" so to speak. there's something in his eyes, that i simply dont trust. sure he says the right things at the right times, but i dont trust someone who has a bad look in his eyes. it might just be me, but im standing behind what i say.

fluf- you mentioned the outlawing of same sex marrage, i say if i dont see it then why should i care right??? my dad says that marrage is something sacred and should be held between a man and a woman, and where exactly will it end? soon people will be marrying chivkes or something. he kind of make sense, but i still dont see the problem as long as i dont see it.!?:confused:

I think it is FUCKING absurd how people go from same sex marriage to people marrying other species or objects.. WTF???

BTW I will be voting for Paris Hilton LOL :-)

Although i don't like either of the two (you know it's just between demos and repubs in election. independent is gaining ground but i don't believe they will win presidency anytime soon), i would probly vote for Kerry because Bush is too conservative for my liking. As fluff said, outlaw gay marriage? come on! But that's if i could vote :)

What on earth is a chivke?

I have always been a third party/independent voter, but I feel so strongly that this administration is doing irreparable harm to my country that I will vote for Kerry. I was hoping for a different Democratic candidate, but honestly the more I know about Kerry the better I like him for president -- which probably means he'll lose.

If he loses, I'll bet my pants that Bush gets vetoed out or gets assassinated.

Kerry

HAHAHAHA!! you are awesome :D

I hate them both. In fact, I hate politicians in general. Anyone out there actively seeking power, does not deserve it. Period.

That being said, and keeping in mind that we are stuck in a 2 party system that seems to be a bit of a catch-22, I will be voting for Bush. Here's why...

John Kerry doesn't have any semblance of a plan. I watch the nightly news every day and I still haven't heard him touch on most of the major issues. What I have heard him say is that he plans to do some massive tax raising within a two months of being in office. (Not in those exact words, but that was what he was really saying.) That is not good. I don't want to give any more of my hard earned money to the government only to have them turn around and hand it out to lazy bastards on Welfare that don't feel like working so they pop out kids because it gets them bigger checks each month. (Don't get me wrong, Welfare, in itself, is not a bad program, but I don't think anyone is going to argue that it is already being abused.)

I am adamently against same sex 'marriage', reason being that the word 'marriage' is a Christian term. Where we went wrong here is that they started using it in society too and allowing it to be performed by judges. (Side note: A 'marriage' performed by a judge, is not a marriage in the eyes of Christianity. A priest, deacon or other religious cleric needs to say the ceremony for it to be a real marriage in the eyes of the church.) Keeping that in mind, I feel like they should have left 'marriage' as a religious term, but said that a 'married' couple or one that is in a 'civil union' (Gay or Straight. This is the term they should of used fromthe start for all non-religious weddings.) have equal rights in the eyes of the law. Presto! Everybody's happy.

People often forget that it wasn't only George Bush with faulty intelligence, it was the CIA, the military, even the UN. Bush gets blamed for 'taking us to war', yeah, well he can't do it alone. The Senate and Congress were right there with him. (Even Kerry voted for it.)

I am starting to feel like aI'm rambling already and I've only reached the tip of the iceberg so I'm gonna cut myself off right there. Let me summarize like this...

Bush may be dumb, but he's just a puppet anyways. I think it shows weakness if we change leadership right in the middle of 2 wars. (Iraq & Terror) I don't trust Kerry and he doesn't have a plan, other than raising our taxes.

Like I said, they both suck. We're fucked either way, but if we keep Bush, then at least we don't look like a nation of pussies.

I'm voting for Bush. I feel that instead of sitting back and waiting for things to happen he has grabbed the reins and took control, this scares people. A lot of people don't want a leader who will make a preemptive strike against something, (terrorism) they want to wait until something irreparable happens and then try to fix it, (stoplight syndrome) we have already had that happen, and hopefully it will never happen again.

Maybe he's not the smartest guy in the world, but I don't want that guy, because he thinks he knows it all already. What's wrong with his family being rich. I'm sure any of us would think it was OK if we were.

I consider myself a Conservative on most issues, and Kerry is to liberal for me. I also don't like the whole deal with his wife, I'm voting for the candidate, not his wife. The last thing this country needs is another Hillary Clinton riding along on her husbands coattails....turns his head and whence's as he prepares for the blows...bring on the pain!

It's not the fact that he has money that scares me. What scares me is that the majority of the funding for his company came from where else but the family of Osama. THAT is what scares the living HELL out of me.

personally i will be voting for Kerry, since i am a avid horror fan Kerry looking like Lurch/Frankenstein has swayed my vote and yes...my heart

Anything but bush...

I'm voting for Kerry, based on the fact, that unlike George Dubya he has actually served his country in combat. Although I am tired of hearing about his 3 purple hearts.

Also I believe that Bush is the WORST President in History. He has already put our country into more debt than any other President in our country's short history. He has LIED and LIED, and LIED to the American people. He has said that Saddam has ties with Al Qada, well guess what so does he!!

Yeah he served his country for a couple months, did what he needed to do to get out (3 purple hearts, two of which were for self-inflicted wounds) and then he came home and burned flags for a couple years while protesting the war, not to mention writing a book about it (Which he has since tried to buy up every copy of.)

What a hero... :rolleyes:

John Kerry: "Iraq is bad"
John Kerry: "Leave Iraq alone"

John Kerry: "I like Coca Cola"
John Kerry: "I like Pepsi"

There you go people, Mr. Flip Flop

Kerry if i could vote. I guess anything would be better than Bush

I'm voting for Kerry. When Bush was elected into office, my friend turned to me and said: "You know, this is the beginning of a long road to hell." And he was right.

As a teacher, Bush's decisions have affected my life personally. His "No Child Left Behind Act" has put more accountability on the teachers for a child's learning. If you spend one day in the classroom, you will know that a teacher will work his/her heart out to get these children to learn ... and they will sit and stare or mouth-off. They will refuse to do the work, never do the homework, and when the parents are called, the teacher gets chewed out by the parent for their child's performance (at least, the parent's who care somewhat about it will chew the teacher out. The other parents who don't care will hardly listen and hang up without saying a word.) Yet, if a child does not pass the state test (which anyone with an iota of knowledge on educational theory will tell you that high-stakes testing is NOTHING but bad), the teacher is called on the carpet and his or her job is in serious jeopardy.

The fact that Bush has put a ban on stem-cell research proves that he his letting his religious views affect his decisions. Because he thinks it is "immoral" according to his faith, Bush will not allow science to advance in an area that could be of GREAT benefit to humankind.

Banning same-sex marriage is equally ridiculous -- and to imply that officially recognizing the union of two people in love will open a Pandora's Box of sexual evils is ridiculous as well. Who's to say that allowing to men or two women to form a legal bond will allow people to begin marrying their sisters, cousins, pets, etc? I don't see it going that way, and you can't come to that conclusion logically. Not if you take into account the genetic dangers involved with inbreeding (dangers that do not exist between a gay couple). As for marriage being a Christian term --- it may have been at one time, but the usage has changed. It has not been a Christian term for a LONG time. It is a generic term used to describe a close union between two things (As in "a marriage of minds"). I mean, if you want to get picky, Christmas isn't REALLY a Christian holiday. It was usurped by the christians in an effort to convert more pagans (who were simply celebrating the coming of winter).

So, it seems to me that Bush has waged just as big a war on the American people as he has against terror. I can't think of ONE good thing that Bush has done for us here at home that is not related to his stupid war. Not one.

So, I'm voting for Kerry. Anything has to be better than Bush.

You got something against protesting? Aren't you an American?

Very American. Do I have anything against protesting? Nope. And to be quite honest, I wouldn't even care that he did it if it wasn't for the fact that he's trying to pawn himself off as a 'war hero'. What a fucking joke...

for the first part all that it says is that Kerry probably thinks that some of the things going on in Iraq is bad , but at the same time he didn't approve of the way that Bush handled it.and for the second part: Is it against the law to like Coke and Pepsi at the same time?

Now if Kerry said that he was 100% anti abbortion or something, and then turns around and has his wifes baby aborted or something, then you can call him

bwind22, are you still fooled by that video? Have you not been following the news on this thing? Here's my response to your "watch this video thread":

"I suppose anyone who has been following the news knows about the status of this video already knows this. But, I will state what has been brought to light anyway:

1. Nobody on this video was actually with Kerry during the rescue that won him the Purple Heart. They were on boats in the vicinity of Kerry's boat, but not even on Kerry's boat.

2. The only person who has any credibility about what he is saying is the doctor who said: "I nursed the wound that got Kerry the Purple Heart." He's the only one on the video that interacted with Kerry personally. But even this guy was not on the boat.

3. There is controversy as to whether or not the troops were actually under fire when Kerry pulled that guy out of the water. But the fact that another soldier won a Purple Heart for his efforts during the same conflict proves that they had to have been under fire at some time.

4. The guy that Kerry pulled out of the water vouches for his heroism, and stands by him.

5. The soldiers that were on the boat with Kerry at the time are standing by him.

6. This video was put together by veterans who are pissed off that Kerry protested the Vietnam War after he served his time. What the fuck is that all about? Kerry HAD to serve, and he did. When he had done his time, he practiced his freedom of speech and stood up for what he disagreed with! It's a fundamental American right, and the vets are pissed because they didn't like what he had to say. Kerry protested, and he had every right to do so. I can't stand it when people say I'm anti-American for speaking out against the decisions that America makes that I disagree with. In my eyes, speaking your mind is NOT anti-American, if we say that America = freedom. Making someone be quiet and stand up for whatever America decides to do IS anti-American.

Basically, the Republicans are worried that they're going to lose this vote (as they should be), and are using any underhanded tactics they can to smear Kerry. True, this video was not supported by the Bush campaign, but they sure did nothing to say that they do not endorse what it claims."

I also went on to say later that Bush served in the Air Force, but through the help of his father's political strings, he was never sent overseas. Kerry could have gotten the same help, but he did not. He actually went. And for some reason you support Bush more than Kerry on the Vietnam issue.

Anyone But Bush...

and Nader. no Nader.

I don't support either one of them on the 'Nam issue'. It shouldn't even be an 'issue'. I think it's fucking stupid that are spending so much damn time dwelling on what happened 30 some years ago. They both need to shut the fuck up about it and tell us their plans for the future.

I know Bush wasn't in Nam. I also know that John Kerry is not 1/10th of the hero he is trying to portray himself as. I think they both suck, but I'm still voting Bush and I've already posted my reasons.

Well, I can't argue with you there. I agree that the war thing is tiring, and the fact that Kerry is playing it up is quite the turn-off. Shows he has no modesty.

But, I'm NOT voting for Bush ... and I've already posted my reasons.

Looks like we must once again agree to disagree, my nemesis.

;)

Did you read my reasons for not voting for Bush? I attack your claim that "marriage" is a Christian term. Ya bastit! :D

Oh yeah. I forgot to touch on that one... I'm pretty sure (but not 100% because I'm relying on info found on the web.) that word originated from Christianity in the 1300s.

Feel free to do some research on your own to disprove that if you want. I couldn't find much on it. In any event, it was certainly a religious term until we went ahead and mixed church and state and also made it a legally binding contract.

Okay... Unless there's a rebuttal, then now we can agree to disagree...

lol

You fag. You didn't even read my post! I said that it may have been a Christian term at one time ... but it has since changed it's meaning. But fine. We agree to disagree. ;)

I read it! I just thought I'd stress that not only was it used by Christians, but that's where it originated.













And I aint no fag, man!

Sorry. It was a playful insult. I will check my dictionary of English etymology and see if we can come to some sort of consensus.

Kerry is Democrat, Bush is Republican, Kerry will do/say what his Democratic party tells him to do, just like every other puppet politician.
Kerry saying he likes coke then saying he likes pepsi was a joke, if its against the law to switch your favorite cola then he is not in violation for it was complete fabrication on my part (had to help you out on that one) i believe both candidates are not good

Well, I just checked it ... but neither "marriage" nor "marry" is in there. Of course, it is a "Concise Dictionary of English Etymology", so I can't bitch too much.

According to the online etymological dictionary, the terms "marriage" and "marry" come from the Old French: "mariage." This is derived from the french word for husband: "mari". But it says nothing of it being used originally by Christians.

Hey fag!

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=marriage

mar·riage (P) Pronunciation Key (mrj) n.

The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
The state of being married; wedlock.
A common-law marriage.
A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage.
A wedding.
A close union: “the most successful marriage of beauty and blood in mainstream comics” (Lloyd Rose).
Games. The combination of the king and queen of the same suit, as in pinochle.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...ry&va=marriage

Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: 'mer-ij, 'ma-rij
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry -- J. T. Shawcross>

What ever happened to separation between church and state?

<3,
Nerd

Who is that post directed at? (In other words: "You callin' me a fag?")

tweek or cartman or timmy

You're supposed to be a teacher god damnit!! JK. That was for bwind, just a play on the words you used and what he calls me (nerd).