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Stingy Jack 08-21-2004 07:32 AM

Kids Dying Violent Deaths in Horror
 
One thing you don't see a lot of in horror films is children meeting a violent end. I can think of the scene in Halloween 3, and some friends of mine saw the new Exorcist movie last night and said there is a scene that depicts a kid getting torn apart by jackals ... or hyenas. Don't remember. Why do you think this type of scene is rarely touched in horror films, and can you think of any other scenes besides the two I mentioned? (Night of the Living Dead doesn't count. The child doesn't die violently there ... and we don't actually see Ben kill her re-animated corpse).

Personally, I think directors shy away from this type of thing because showing the violent death of a child for sensationalistic purposes may cause them quite a bit of grief. And such scenes do seem to be more disturbing to me ... although, I realize the kid probably got a nice paycheck in the end. I, for one, wouldn't raise a stink if they showed more of this in films. After all, it's getting harder and harder for films to actually horrify nowadays, and such scenes would definitely contribute to this neglected emotion.

Egekrusher 08-21-2004 07:48 AM

The sight of children dying is something that makes everyone cringe. It inspires rage, disgust and a need for vengeance. The main reason it's not used more is simply because most people just don't want to see it, real or not. Personally, I hate it when they kill kids in horror movies. That's just not something I want to see or contemplate. I'd rather watch someone be castrated than watch a kid die a horrible death.

movieman64 08-21-2004 08:15 AM

I think a child's, assumed innocence, (The Bad Seed) is what attracts most writers/directors to the use of children in horror films. The Shinning, Pet Sematary, the new Godsend, original Exorcist. However, in most films children are portrayed as some sort of victim, even though they might perpetrate violence on someone else, it usually comes as the result of some sort of transformation, such as death or possesion.

Stingy Jack 08-21-2004 08:44 AM

Actually, I remember a film titled The Child ... which depicts a girl who is friends with zombies and make them do her bidding. This girl was pretty whacked, and seemed to have no motives to her violence, other than she's just a bad kid who finds a way to vent her anger through the undead.

She dies pretty horribly. She gets an axe in the head, if I remember correctly.

Vodstok 08-21-2004 08:52 AM

check this out and tell me what you think:

http://scaredyet.net/groups/kids.aspx

massacre man 08-21-2004 08:57 AM

Re: Kids Dying Violent Deaths in Horror
 
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Originally posted by Stingy Jack
One thing you don't see a lot of in horror films is children meeting a violent end. I can think of the scene in Halloween 3, and some friends of mine saw the new Exorcist movie last night and said there is a scene that depicts a kid getting torn apart by jackals ... or hyenas. Don't remember. Why do you think this type of scene is rarely touched in horror films, and can you think of any other scenes besides the two I mentioned? (Night of the Living Dead doesn't count. The child doesn't die violently there ... and we don't actually see Ben kill her re-animated corpse).

Personally, I think directors shy away from this type of thing because showing the violent death of a child for sensationalistic purposes may cause them quite a bit of grief. And such scenes do seem to be more disturbing to me ... although, I realize the kid probably got a nice paycheck in the end. I, for one, wouldn't raise a stink if they showed more of this in films. After all, it's getting harder and harder for films to actually horrify nowadays, and such scenes would definitely contribute to this neglected emotion.

why do you make threads out of my stupidest ideas?

Chainsaw Guy 08-21-2004 09:56 AM

Puppet master 2 when that kid is pretending to be Indiana Jones And torch comes up and he starts whipping him and picks him up and torch sets him ablaze

massacre man 08-21-2004 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by Chainsaw Guy
Puppet master 2 when that kid is pretending to be Indiana Jones And torch comes up and he starts whipping him and picks him up and torch sets him ablaze
was it called puppet master 2 or did it have a puppet master:...

Chainsaw Guy 08-21-2004 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by massacre man
was it called puppet master 2 or did it have a puppet master:...
Its was just Puppet master 2

massacre man 08-21-2004 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by Chainsaw Guy
Its was just Puppet master 2
ok cuz i want to see thatmy blocbuster only has retro puppet master

moonsorrow 08-21-2004 10:48 AM

the same reason they use a female character in silent hill 3, its been proven, as males we are protective of women, thats why we are the stronger gender, instinct makes us protect, not terms like "gentlemen." its the same way id be with my little brother, or some random 13 year old getting ass ass beat by the local gangs, our instinct (male or female) wants us to protect these little buggars so it makes us more uncomfortable around thesethings.

massacre man 08-21-2004 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by moonsorrow
the same reason they use a female character in silent hill 3, its been proven, as males we are protective of women, thats why we are the stronger gender, instinct makes us protect, not terms like "gentlemen." its the same way id be with my little brother, or some random 13 year old getting ass ass beat by the local gangs, our instinct (male or female) wants us to protect these little buggars so it makes us more uncomfortable around thesethings.
i 13 i dont think any gangs are gonna mess with me in 6 foot 3 and like i weigh like alot

moonsorrow 08-21-2004 10:53 AM

size doesnt matter, im 6 ft tall, weigh about 80 kilos, i work out so im buff, i got vampire fangs and a little drop of blood coming down my eye so it looks like a tear, i wear chains and bullets across my chest... i look like the thing that comes out of your works nightmares and people still start shit, no matter who you are your giong to end up in truble sooner or later, and no matter who you are, doesnt matter how strong, how fast or how good, there will always be a bigger fish.

massacre man 08-21-2004 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by moonsorrow
size doesnt matter, im 6 ft tall, weigh about 80 kilos, i work out so im buff, i got vampire fangs and a little drop of blood coming down my eye so it looks like a tear, i wear chains and bullets across my chest... i look like the thing that comes out of your works nightmares and people still start shit, no matter who you are your giong to end up in truble sooner or later, and no matter who you are, doesnt matter how strong, how fast or how good, there will always be a bigger fish.
were talkin about people not fish lol

jay o2 waster 08-21-2004 12:20 PM

Re: Kids Dying Violent Deaths in Horror
 
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Originally posted by Stingy Jack
One thing you don't see a lot of in horror films is children meeting a violent end. I can think of the scene in Halloween 3, and some friends of mine saw the new Exorcist movie last night and said there is a scene that depicts a kid getting torn apart by jackals ... or hyenas. Don't remember. Why do you think this type of scene is rarely touched in horror films, and can you think of any other scenes besides the two I mentioned? (Night of the Living Dead doesn't count. The child doesn't die violently there ... and we don't actually see Ben kill her re-animated corpse).

Personally, I think directors shy away from this type of thing because showing the violent death of a child for sensationalistic purposes may cause them quite a bit of grief. And such scenes do seem to be more disturbing to me ... although, I realize the kid probably got a nice paycheck in the end. I, for one, wouldn't raise a stink if they showed more of this in films. After all, it's getting harder and harder for films to actually horrify nowadays, and such scenes would definitely contribute to this neglected emotion.

Pet Semetary - Gage gets hit by a semi truck
ummmm...
lots of troma movies but that doesn't really count

bloodrayne 08-21-2004 01:37 PM

Re: Re: Kids Dying Violent Deaths in Horror
 
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Originally posted by jay o2 waster
Pet Semetary - Gage gets hit by a semi truck

I was going to mention this because Stephen King has always wanted to portray children dying violent deaths...The reason being that it is horrifying, and therefore contributes to the 'horror' theme overall...The scene that we actually saw when Gage was killed, was NOT the scene that King had envisioned...

King was told to either drastically alter or remove a scene in Maximum Overdrive, where a boy on the ballfield was run over by a steamroller, feet first, ending with his brains bursting out of the top of his head...They told him that the film would get an X rating, if he didn't comply...It STILL pisses him off...

Perhaps if he weren't so restrained whenever he tried to bring his books to the screen, his movies wouldn't be so bad...Just a thought

massacre man 08-21-2004 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by bloodrayne
I was going to mention this because Stephen King has always wanted to portray children dying violent deaths...The reason being that it is horrifying, and therefore contributes to the 'horror' theme overall...The scene that we actually saw when Gage was killed, was NOT the scene that King had envisioned...

King was told to either drastically alter or remove a scene in Maximum Overdrive, where a boy on the ballfield was run over by a steamroller, feet first, ending with his brains bursting out of the top of his head...They told him that the film would get an X rating, if he didn't comply...It STILL pisses him off...

Perhaps if he weren't so restrained whenever he tried to bring his books to the screen, his movies wouldn't be so bad...Just a thought

why worry about it midgets are the same size it wouldnt get any different rating if a midget was crushed by a steamroller

Stingy Jack 08-21-2004 01:46 PM

BloodRayne, I was just about to mention the steamroller scene in Maximum Overdrive. Gauge's death doesn't really count, because you don't actually see him get hit by the truck ... but you do see the boy get steamrolled.

MM, I think moonsorrow has a point. It's not really the size of the kid, but the age. They're so young that their inexperience has them living in the age of innocence ... and I think it's this innocence that we, as adults, want to protect. Midgets are small, but not necessarily innocent. The more innocent the child (the younger, for example), the more we don't want to see it's death. I think the most memorable scene, for example, in Titanic was when they showed the mother holding her cold, dead infant in the water.

bloodrayne 08-21-2004 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by Stingy Jack
BloodRayne, I was just about to mention the steamroller scene in Maximum Overdrive. Gauge's death doesn't really count, because you don't actually see him get hit by the truck
That's what I was talking about...King WANTED us to see it, but....

massacre man 08-21-2004 01:55 PM

only kids know its fake and thats why its rated R you dont take little kids to see it its a fake death and if you see a kid on a movie die 2 months later youll see them on a commercial dancing with vacuums

Stingy Jack 08-21-2004 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by bloodrayne
That's what I was talking about...King WANTED us to see it, but....
Oh, he wanted us too see Gauge's death ... I see now. What was the scene he wanted us to see? I thought ...I misread your last post. I thought it was all about the steamroller thing, even though I read the whole post. Just forgot about what you said about Gauge at the beginning.

bloodrayne 08-21-2004 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Oh, he wanted us too see Gauge's death ... I see now. What was the scene he wanted us to see? I thought ...I misread your last post. I thought it was all about the steamroller thing, even though I read the whole post. Just forgot about what you said about Gauge at the beginning.
LOL...Smarty Pants

massacre man 08-21-2004 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by bloodrayne
LOL...Smarty Pants
smarty socks

WaR38 08-21-2004 03:15 PM

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size doesnt matter, im 6 ft tall, weigh about 80 kilos, i work out so im buff, i got vampire fangs and a little drop of blood coming down my eye so it looks like a tear, i wear chains and bullets across my chest... i look like the thing that comes out of your works nightmares and people still start shit, no matter who you are your giong to end up in truble sooner or later, and no matter who you are, doesnt matter how strong, how fast or how good, there will always be a bigger fish.
I think the reason assholes still try to start shit with you is because they feel threatened. They think the have to prove how big a man (or ass) they are. "It" has kids being killed in it. Also in "Exorcist The Beginning" it shows a Nazi member during world war II shooting little children in the heads.

massacre man 08-21-2004 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by WaR38
I think the reason assholes still try to start shit with you is because they feel threatened. They think the have to prove how big a man (or ass) they are. "It" has kids being killed in it. Also in "Exorcist The Beginning" it shows a Nazi member during world war II shooting little children in the heads.
was the movie any good?

WaR38 08-21-2004 03:19 PM

I thought it was alright for the crap movies comming out these days. It could never live up to the orignal though but what could. I posted on it but no one replied.

massacre man 08-21-2004 03:22 PM

sorta like R.S.V.P good for the movies coming out now

especially jason mewes

mayoisthedevil 08-21-2004 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by Egekrusher
The sight of children dying is something that makes everyone cringe. It inspires rage, disgust and a need for vengeance. The main reason it's not used more is simply because most people just don't want to see it, real or not. Personally, I hate it when they kill kids in horror movies. That's just not something I want to see or contemplate. I'd rather watch someone be castrated than watch a kid die a horrible death.
yeah. i don't like to see the kiddies dies either...also in other movies were they have animals (ie. horses, dogs ect) i hate seeing them die too

massacre man 08-21-2004 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by mayoisthedevil
yeah. i don't like to see the kiddies dies either...also in other movies were they have animals (ie. horses, dogs ect) i hate seeing them die too
i hate seeing animals die too

wufong 08-21-2004 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by moonsorrow
size doesnt matter, im 6 ft tall, weigh about 80 kilos, i work out so im buff, i got vampire fangs and a little drop of blood coming down my eye so it looks like a tear, i wear chains and bullets across my chest... i look like the thing that comes out of your works nightmares and people still start shit, no matter who you are your giong to end up in truble sooner or later, and no matter who you are, doesnt matter how strong, how fast or how good, there will always be a bigger fish.
maybe the reason people start shit with you is because you have fangs, a blood tear drop and you wear chains and bullets across your chest?

xGuardianx03 08-21-2004 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by wufong
maybe the reason people start shit with you is because you have fangs, a blood tear drop and you wear chains and bullets across your chest?

If someone starts trouble with another person because of how they look, well that makes them an idiot .

massacre man 08-21-2004 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by xGuardianx03
If someone starts trouble with another person because of how they look, well that makes them an idiot .
what if they have a shirt that says YOU SUCK

xGuardianx03 08-21-2004 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by massacre man
what if they have a shirt that says YOU SUCK


Then you're gonna have to start wearing a shirt that says..."SO DO YOU!" :)

massacre man 08-21-2004 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by xGuardianx03
Then you're gonna have to start wearing a shirt that says..."SO DO YOU!" :)
what if yours is dirty?

moonsorrow 08-21-2004 06:12 PM

so... if i shouldnt wear my fangs, and i shouldnt use blood as makeup and i shouldn wear bullets...what should i wear?

and p.s. pretty brutal kids death in final destination two...how about being liquified?

massacre man 08-21-2004 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by moonsorrow
so... if i shouldnt wear my fangs, and i shouldnt use blood as makeup and i shouldn wear bullets...what should i wear?

and p.s. pretty brutal kids death in final destination two...how about being liquified?

i wouldnt consider him a kid

xGuardianx03 08-22-2004 06:53 AM

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Originally posted by massacre man
what if yours is dirty?

stay home

orangestar 08-22-2004 06:58 AM

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Originally posted by moonsorrow
so... if i shouldnt wear my fangs, and i shouldnt use blood as makeup and i shouldn wear bullets...what should i wear?

and p.s. pretty brutal kids death in final destination two...how about being liquified?


which one was liquified? :confused:

moonsorrow 08-22-2004 07:21 AM

the kid who got splatted by the huge plexiglass plate...it was plexiglass wasnt it?

Egekrusher 08-22-2004 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by moonsorrow
size doesnt matter, im 6 ft tall, weigh about 80 kilos, i work out so im buff, i got vampire fangs and a little drop of blood coming down my eye so it looks like a tear, i wear chains and bullets across my chest... i look like the thing that comes out of your works nightmares and people still start shit, no matter who you are your giong to end up in truble sooner or later, and no matter who you are, doesnt matter how strong, how fast or how good, there will always be a bigger fish.
Unless, of course, you're Bruce Lee.


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