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FreddyFan 10-27-2003 08:42 AM

Wwe
 
Okay, since u can talk about anything in this forum I decided to star a WWE thread. My favorite wrestlers. Not in order.
Shawn Micheals, John Cena, Undertaker, Billy Gunn, Rey Mysterio, Goldberg, Rikishi, Stone Cold Steve Austin(even though he doesn't wrestle anymore. But he is co-gm of raw so), Kevin Nash, Lita, Trish Stratus, Scott Steiner, Kurt Angle, Kane, Brock Lesnar, and Booker T. That's as many as I'll say. Who else likes WWE and who are you're favorite wrestlers. Don't have to be in order.

avenger00soul 10-27-2003 08:46 AM

I'm an old schooler, WCW is my chosen wrestling fed. And don't give me that "WCW sucked" shit, I've heard it all before. It's far better than the current state of the WWE.

Favorite wrestlers: Scott Hall, Jeff Jarrett, "Hollywood" Hulk Hogan, Mr. Perfect (R.I.P.), and Vampiro.

FreddyFan 10-27-2003 08:48 AM

I agree with u there avenger00soul. WCW is way better than wwe. I miss Scott Hall. He kicked major ass.

avenger00soul 10-27-2003 08:54 AM

I miss Hall too, they made a huge mistake when they let him go. Actually they made a huge mistake when they put alot of the WCW guys on the back-burner. The only guys from WCW that have really made a name for themselves are Booker and Goldberg. They kinda made Shane Helms into a joke, they retired DDP, and they killed Kurt Hennig. Maybe I'm pushing it a little bit with that last one, but they shouldn't have fired him.

FreddyFan 10-27-2003 09:03 AM

You're exactly right avenger00soul. You know who else I miss? I miss Sting. Sure they bring back Goldberg but not Sting. What the hell is wrong with them. By the way, where is Stevie Ray? He and Booker T were a great tag team.

avenger00soul 10-27-2003 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by FreddyFan
You're exactly right avenger00soul. You know who else I miss? I miss Sting. Sure they bring back Goldberg but not Sting. What the hell is wrong with them. By the way, where is Stevie Ray? He and Booker T were a great tag team.
Sting is currently with NWA (Jarrett's promotion). They run a PPV every week and their wrestling is the BEST I have ever seen. I miss Stevie Ray too, he was a helluva funny commentator.

FreddyFan 10-27-2003 09:16 AM

I've heard of that business. Haven't ordered any of the shows yet but i will soon. It looks way better than wwe. I wish DDP would come back. He was awesome. If he would come back it's not a bad thing, "it's a good thing."

avenger00soul 10-27-2003 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by FreddyFan
I've heard of that business. Haven't ordered any of the shows yet but i will soon. It looks way better than wwe. I wish DDP would come back. He was awesome. If he would come back it's not a bad thing, "it's a good thing."
I think his injury is too damaging for him to wrestle again. The NWA PPV's are great though. The X-division (cruiserweight) guys are completely awesome. They make Rey Mysterio look like an amateur.

FreddyFan 10-27-2003 09:35 AM

I know. I've seen previews. Out of all the guys I've seen in the previews I like Aj Styles the most. I love his special. The styles clash. What a move. And it has a great name.

avenger00soul 10-27-2003 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by FreddyFan
I know. I've seen previews. Out of all the guys I've seen in the previews I like Aj Styles the most. I love his special. The styles clash. What a move. And it has a great name.
As a matter of fact, Styles is fighting Sting during their big PPV coming up soon. Other matches include Vampire vs. Raven in a "Clockwork Orange House of Pain match???" and The Hulkster vs. Jarrett for the title. Hopefully I'll be watching that one.

FreddyFan 10-27-2003 09:47 AM

That's a gotta see ppv.

Sick_As_Fuck 10-27-2003 05:50 PM

Hogan's wrestling in an NWA-TNA PPV? When did this happen? Oh yeah, and Sting is the one who refused to join the WWE. They made offers to him on more than one occasion.

_Leatha_Face_ 10-27-2003 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by FreddyFan
I agree with u there avenger00soul. WCW is way better than wwe. I miss Scott Hall. He kicked major ass.
im probably the biggest Scott Hall fan way baq him and Kevin Nash = The Outsiders = baddest tag team in the gm, but whatever happened to Hall??? oh and i like Sting and Scott Steiner

avenger00soul 10-28-2003 04:31 AM

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Originally posted by Sick_As_Fuck
Hogan's wrestling in an NWA-TNA PPV? When did this happen? Oh yeah, and Sting is the one who refused to join the WWE. They made offers to him on more than one occasion.
Hogan recently signed for one PPV. I don't know if he'll be on there often or if it's a one time deal. And thank god Sting did turn down the WWE's offers, they would have ruined him too.

FreddyFan 10-28-2003 06:44 AM

Avenger00soul is exactly right. If Sting did come to the wwe they would have ruined him. They ruined Goldberg. His matches are boring. Now if Goldberg just would of went with NWA-TNA he would be watchable. I have to order the NWA-TNA ppv because hogan is wrestling. Hogan was awesome.:D One thing before I end this post. "Whatcha gonna do brother, when the Hulkster runs wild on you?"

billbundix 11-12-2003 08:01 PM

well im gonna have to go a little more old-school on ya here and say my favorite wrestler would be the original undertaker. back when he first came out and could draw power from the urn. purple eyeliner and stuff. but to even get a little more old-school do any of you remember the great kubuke. i think thats how you spell his name. he kicked ass back in the day. spit green stuff out of his mouth. i think he was supposed to be mudas' father.

FreddyFan 11-13-2003 01:16 PM

I just watched one of NWA-TNA's greatest matches off of on demand. It was awesome. It was the first ever NWA-TNA cage match. It was America's Most Wanted vs Triple X. Great Match. NWA-TNA makes WWE look like fuckin amatuers.

NirvanaNole 11-13-2003 08:52 PM

Hall was fired because he is a drunk and kept screwing up. I like Hall, but from all I've heard about him, I would have fired his ass as well.

And no love for The Midnight Express? They are easily the greatest tag team in the history of wrestling. Sweet Stan and Beautiful Bobby!

My favorite singles wrestler of all time is HBK. He pretty much sucks now, but he was the shit earlier in his career. HBK and HHH were awesome when in DX. That was the pinnacle of HBK's career. It is a shame both of them are shells of their former selves.

avenger00soul 11-14-2003 06:17 AM

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Originally posted by FreddyFan
I just watched one of NWA-TNA's greatest matches off of on demand. It was awesome. It was the first ever NWA-TNA cage match. It was America's Most Wanted vs Triple X. Great Match. NWA-TNA makes WWE look like fuckin amatuers.
I told you dude.

As for NirvanaNole, did you hear the whole story of the Hall firing? He really didn't do anything wrong compared to some of the other guys on that plane.

AUSTIN316426808 11-14-2003 06:40 AM

4 WORDS-STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN

7 WWE TITLES
4 INTERCONTINENTAL TITLES
4 TAG TITLES
2 TIME ROYAL RUMBLE WINNER
KING OF THE RING WINNER

THE ONLY PERSON TO BEAT UNDERTAKER IN A BURIED ALIVE MATCH.

THE FIRST SEVEN TIME WWE CHAMPION IN HISTORY.

THE ONLY WRESTLER TO WIN THE TAG TEAM TITLES BY HIMSELF.

ENOUGH SAID!

''AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE CAUSE STONE COLD SAID SO''

avenger00soul 11-14-2003 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
4 WORDS-STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN

7 WWE TITLES
4 INTERCONTINENTAL TITLES
4 TAG TITLES
2 TIME ROYAL RUMBLE WINNER
KING OF THE RING WINNER

THE ONLY PERSON TO BEAT UNDERTAKER IN A BURIED ALIVE MATCH.

THE FIRST SEVEN TIME WWE CHAMPION IN HISTORY.

THE ONLY WRESTLER TO WIN THE TAG TEAM TITLES BY HIMSELF.

ENOUGH SAID!

''AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE CAUSE STONE COLD SAID SO''

Hahaha, I can finally terrorize you. As you would say "Austin blows dogs for quarters." Just messing with you. I really do hate the guy though. All that WHAT shit is fucking retarded.

D'Lo 11-14-2003 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by avenger00soul
I told you dude.

As for NirvanaNole, did you hear the whole story of the Hall firing? He really didn't do anything wrong compared to some of the other guys on that plane.

I don't think it was just the stuff on the plane that got him fired. Just after he signed a contract with the WWF, he was backstage drunk. That's not a very good first impression. If I would have had another chance in the WWF, after all his screwing up (couple of arrests, drug use, alcohol abuse), I wouldn't come near any alcohol, let alone on my 1st day back.

As for wrestling today: I can only watch Smackdown here, so my favourites from that show are John Cena, Matt Hardy (although he's gone now) and Eddie Guerrero. Now here's a guy who the WWF hasn't ruined. After he got fired, he showed that he cleaned up his life, and after he came back, it's been a rollercoaster for him. He's a great wrestler and can cut hilarious promo's!

'Cheat 2 win!'

avenger00soul 11-14-2003 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by D'Lo
I don't think it was just the stuff on the plane that got him fired. Just after he signed a contract with the WWF, he was backstage drunk. That's not a very good first impression. If I would have had another chance in the WWF, after all his screwing up (couple of arrests, drug use, alcohol abuse), I wouldn't come near any alcohol, let alone on my 1st day back.

As for wrestling today: I can only watch Smackdown here, so my favourites from that show are John Cena, Matt Hardy (although he's gone now) and Eddie Guerrero. Now here's a guy who the WWF hasn't ruined. After he got fired, he showed that he cleaned up his life, and after he came back, it's been a rollercoaster for him. He's a great wrestler and can cut hilarious promo's!

'Cheat 2 win!'

Agreed. The Eddie Guerrero/RVD ladder match was the best match I've seen in the WWF in YEARS!!! Too bad they split those guys up.

As for the Hall situation. Hall will be Hall. I wouldn't have it any other way. As for the good impression thing, do you think he really cares? I'm sure he's a filthy rich bastard anyway.

AUSTIN316426808 11-14-2003 09:34 AM

I THINK IT'S FUCKING HILARIOUS WHEN HE DOES IT.

avenger00soul 11-14-2003 10:04 AM

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I THINK IT'S FUCKING HILARIOUS WHEN HE DOES IT.
It's so annoying though. Thank god it has finally started to die down. I hated it when the crowd would do it and it wasn't even Austin talking or anyone that was feuding with Austin. That sucked so much ass.

AUSTIN316426808 11-14-2003 10:06 AM

YEAH THAT DID START GETTING ANNOYING WHEN THEY JUST STARTED SAYING IT FOR NO REASON.

avenger00soul 11-14-2003 10:07 AM

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YEAH THAT DID START GETTING ANNOYING WHEN THEY JUST STARTED SAYING IT FOR NO REASON.
Yeah, it was like someone was giving a damn good promo and the crowd would ruin it.

AUSTIN316426808 11-14-2003 10:08 AM

BUT ASIDE FROM ALL THAT YOU GOTTA ADMIT THAT HE'S THE BEST WRESTLER IN WWE HISTORY.

NOTE THAT I SAID WWE.

WCW IT'S OBVIOUS THAT'S FLAIR

avenger00soul 11-14-2003 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
BUT ASIDE FROM ALL THAT YOU GOTTA ADMIT THAT HE'S THE BEST WRESTLER IN WWE HISTORY.

NOTE THAT I SAID WWE.

WCW IT'S OBVIOUS THAT'S FLAIR

Hogan baby, Hogan. Just my opinion man.

Flair and Sting for WCW. Sting cuz he never left, no matter how bad it got.

AUSTIN316426808 11-14-2003 10:13 AM

TO ME HOGAN AND AUSTIN ARE PRETTY EQUAL I MEAN LOOKED AT WHAT THEY BOTH DID.

HOGAN BROUGHT THE WWF TO LIFE AND JUST WHEN WCW STARTED TO TAKE OVER THE RATINGS BATTLE AND WWF WAS LOSING POPULARITY AUSTIN BROUGHT IT BACK TO LIFE.

IF IT WAS'NT FOR HOGAN AND AUSTIN THERE PROBABLY WOULD'NT BE A WWE RIGHT NOW.

avenger00soul 11-14-2003 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
TO ME HOGAN AND AUSTIN ARE PRETTY EQUAL I MEAN LOOKED AT WHAT THEY BOTH DID.

HOGAN BROUGHT THE WWF TO LIFE AND JUST WHEN WCW STARTED TO TAKE OVER THE RATINGS BATTLE AND WWF WAS LOSING POPULARITY AUSTIN BROUGHT IT BACK TO LIFE.

IF IT WAS'NT FOR HOGAN AND AUSTIN THERE PROBABLY WOULD'NT BE A WWE RIGHT NOW.

You have a good point, but I was hardcore WCW when Austin emerged. So I hate the current WWE that he is largely responsible for. Also, there are a ton of other guys who have made an impact, not just Hogan and Austin.

I love Hogan though, cuz he only has like 4 moves and he's managed to stay around forever. That's a damn accomplishment.

D'Lo 11-14-2003 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by avenger00soul
You have a good point, but I was hardcore WCW when Austin emerged. So I hate the current WWE that he is largely responsible for. Also, there are a ton of other guys who have made an impact, not just Hogan and Austin.

I love Hogan though, cuz he only has like 4 moves and he's managed to stay around forever. That's a damn accomplishment.

I think Hogan will be remembered as the greatest of all time. You're right when you say he can't wrestle, but he makes that up with tons of charisma. I think Roddy Piper is also a great one. Not a real good wrestler, but there's hardly anybody better on the microphone. He did mainevent the first Wrestlemania and also the 'War to settle the score' on MTV in 1985 (against Hogan) which made it possible that Wrestlemania came into existence. Speaking of Piper, You should check out his book 'in the pit with Piper'. It's a really good read!

avenger00soul 11-14-2003 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by D'Lo
I think Hogan will be remembered as the greatest of all time. You're right when you say he can't wrestle, but he makes that up with tons of charisma. I think Roddy Piper is also a great one. Not a real good wrestler, but there's hardly anybody better on the microphone. He did mainevent the first Wrestlemania and also the 'War to settle the score' on MTV in 1985 (against Hogan) which made it possible that Wrestlemania came into existence. Speaking of Piper, You should check out his book 'in the pit with Piper'. It's a really good read!
I will always love Piper simply b/c of They Live. But you are right, he was crazy on the mic. No one was as animated as him, well maybe Flair. I haven't read any of the wrestling books yet. I'm waiting for one of the Vince's to write one. That would a particularly juicy read.

FreddyFan 11-14-2003 01:46 PM

I have one thing to say. Two more days till Survivor Series. It's probably not going to be as good as No Mercy 2003. I don't think any wwe pay per view will beat that one. But Survivor Series does have quite some good matches. Like Undertaker vs Mr. McMahon in a buried alive match, shane mcmahon vs kane in an ambulance match, the two survivor series style tag team matches and that's all I'm looking forward to. I just can't wait to see mr. mcmahon get buried alive. the only problem is that they will get him out after the match. in my opinion they should just leave him down there.

NirvanaNole 11-14-2003 01:58 PM

avenger,

Hall has a LONG history of being drunk and screwing things up. Once he started to fall back into that habit, they fired him. I have a feeling Hall was warned upon being rehired that he was on a short leash. He isn't treated the same as other wrestlers without a history of screwing up.

D'lo covered the issue well. He was fired for more than just the plane incident.



As for Hogan, he has always fucking sucked. I was one of the few that hated him in the 80s when I was a kid. My God he always bored me to death. Although, I did love the Ultimate Warrior. He was almost as bad as Hogan in the ring. lol

avenger00soul 11-14-2003 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by NirvanaNole
avenger,

Hall has a LONG history of being drunk and screwing things up. Once he started to fall back into that habit, they fired him. I have a feeling Hall was warned upon being rehired that he was on a short leash. He isn't treated the same as other wrestlers without a history of screwing up.

D'lo covered the issue well. He was fired for more than just the plane incident.

I know all of this, that's what makes him so great is that he's completely unpredictable. I don't think his drunkeness ever screwed anything up, hell, they made a good angle out of it even.

He was fired because of a clause in his contract that said if he was caught drinking he was out. He drank during the plane incident and was fired. Tons of other crazy shit happened and Hall falls asleep and he's fired. What the hell? Hennig was also fired after that I believe. Those guys were two of my favorites and they let them both go. Bastards.

FreddyFan 11-14-2003 04:40 PM

avenger, I agree with u. WWE workers are bastards. not the wrestlers but the other guys. U know the ones working in the WWE Headquarters. They fired two great wrestlers. Hennig and Hall. those damn fucking bastards.

avenger00soul 11-14-2003 07:11 PM

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avenger, I agree with u. WWE workers are bastards. not the wrestlers but the other guys. U know the ones working in the WWE Headquarters. They fired two great wrestlers. Hennig and Hall. those damn fucking bastards.
Yes, I agree. Sometimes the behind the scenes guys are idiots (especially the writers).

NirvanaNole 11-14-2003 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by avenger00soul
I know all of this, that's what makes him so great is that he's completely unpredictable. I don't think his drunkeness ever screwed anything up, hell, they made a good angle out of it even.

Wasn't it WCW that made an angle out of it and not the WWF?

Also, we don't know the whole story. I know he had a history of not making meetings because of his alcohol problems. If you had an employee that did things like that and wasn't essential to your business, you'd fire him to. I don't blame Vince for that; however, I do blame him for putting his roided ass and his ugly daughter on TV all the damn time. They're both useless. At least Shane can do physical things to add to the show. Then again, I have pretty much stopped watching the WWF since they fucked up the ECW/WCW angle. THe company has become shit without competition to push it IMO.

avenger00soul 11-14-2003 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by NirvanaNole
Wasn't it WCW that made an angle out of it and not the WWF?

Also, we don't know the whole story. I know he had a history of not making meetings because of his alcohol problems. If you had an employee that did things like that and wasn't essential to your business, you'd fire him to. I don't blame Vince for that; however, I do blame him for putting his roided ass and his ugly daughter on TV all the damn time. They're both useless. At least Shane can do physical things to add to the show. Then again, I have pretty much stopped watching the WWF since they fucked up the ECW/WCW angle. THe company has become shit without competition to push it IMO.

It was WCW, the angle was Hall vs. Nash. I loved WCW and will always miss it.:( I think Hall was essential for the business though, I mean they pretty much disbanded the newly reformed NWO after they fired him. Big mistake.

You are right about Shane. He is an amazing talent. You are also right about the WCW/ECW angle. That was the biggest fuck-up of all time. What a waste.


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