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bwind22 07-22-2004 01:40 AM

The great MARIJUANA debate
 
Are you for or against the decriminalization of marijuana?

I personally am for it. The worst thing a pothead is going to do is sit around eating twinkies while watching some South Park.

I am pro legalization, not only for medical and industrial use, but also recreational.

It is my opinion that God gave us everything on this planet to use. That includes marijuana. By making it a crime to use it, I think we are making God sad. :D

That reminds me of a funny shirt I once saw. It said 'Man made beer. God made pot. Who do you trust?'

feral cat 07-22-2004 01:50 AM

I’m into the rights of the individual, I think it should be decriminalised ... Legalised no because then the government would charge taxes on it and I don't believe the state should make money from drugs.

Smoking weed is just as unhealthy as smoking tobacco, it’s not for the government to give it a stamp of approval it should just be up to the individual to smoke what ever they like in their own home, with no fear of prosecution!

wufong 07-22-2004 01:51 AM

i'm for it when it comes to medical reasons. agaisnt it when it is used just to get "high" with. which is a little hypocritical of me. as i enjoy a little tote every now and again

Hate_Breeder 07-22-2004 01:57 AM

Marijuana makes your body feel funny so im all for it

bloodrayne 07-22-2004 03:15 AM

I'm not "for" the recreational use of ANY drugs...But...As long as it doesn't affect me or mine...I don't care what anyone else does...Plain and simple

ShankS 07-22-2004 05:38 AM

I cant see any short term harm in smoking the old weed, It's all the stuff you hear about with long term damage... but then users have a choice, it's up to them, and If they enjoy it then let them do so. Weed is hardly a 'big' drug anyway, so relaxation of the law should be ok.

during my studet years the weed flowed freely. hell I was stoned in most of my lectures, but I still did ok at Uni.

free the weed man

:)

Vodstok 07-22-2004 05:52 AM

Re: The great MARIJUANA debate
 
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Originally posted by bwind22
That reminds me of a funny shirt I once saw. It said 'Man made beer. God made pot. Who do you trust?'

With that logic, God also made the coca plant and opium poppy.... and the drugs made from them KILL people...

At any rate, i agree. the worst that can happen is people get the munchies and act like idiots, which they were going to do anyway. Let the government profit off of it. They already tax the shit out of liquor.


Yay me, Post 1972, the year the Exorcist Came out :)

ShankS 07-22-2004 05:54 AM

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Originally posted by Vodstok



Yay me, Post 1972, the year the Exorcist Came out :)


and the year this planet got me as another mad inhabitant

:D :D

Vodstok 07-22-2004 05:55 AM

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Originally posted by ShankS
and the year this planet got me as another mad inhabitant

:D :D

Sweet! As of this one, 3 more until my untimely birth....

Egekrusher 07-22-2004 05:58 AM

Re: Re: The great MARIJUANA debate
 
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Originally posted by Vodstok
With that logic, God also made the coca plant and opium poppy.... and the drugs made from them KILL people...

At any rate, i agree. the worst that can happen is people get the munchies and act like idiots, which they were going to do anyway. Let the government profit off of it. They already tax the shit out of liquor.


Yay me, Post 1972, the year the Exorcist Came out :)

True. But we are still processing those plants to obtain said drug. With mary, there's no processing. It's pick-and-smoke.

natas 07-22-2004 07:37 AM

I'm for it. :D

Vodstok 07-22-2004 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by Egekrusher
True. But we are still processing those plants to obtain said drug. With mary, there's no processing. It's pick-and-smoke.
That all depends on the country. we have plenty of pot growing in this country, but it DOES get processed into hash on occasion. Plus, the countries that grow the coca and opium plants have plenty of people who use it just like americans and everyone else use pot.


So my point stands :)

Stingy Jack 07-22-2004 07:43 AM

I'm for the decriminalization of all drugs. I don't use 'em (don't even smoke pot), but I don't think it is the government's business what we do with our bodies. The laws should be in place to protect people from other people. Plus, think of all the prison space you'd free up! Fill those with the criminals who are dangerous to others.

Egekrusher 07-22-2004 07:51 AM

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Originally posted by Vodstok
That all depends on the country. we have plenty of pot growing in this country, but it DOES get processed into hash on occasion. Plus, the countries that grow the coca and opium plants have plenty of people who use it just like americans and everyone else use pot.


So my point stands :)

Mine as well. The coca and opiate plants, in their unprocessed form, aren't NEARLY as addictive. There are still countries where the coca plant is used for it's medicinal purposes, mainly for dental pain as a numbing agent.

These plants, in their raw form, are not harmful to NEARLY the same degree that the processed forms are.

I'm just in an argumentative mood today.

Vodstok 07-22-2004 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by Egekrusher
Mine as well. The coca and opiate plants, in their unprocessed form, aren't NEARLY as addictive. There are still countries where the coca plant is used for it's medicinal purposes, mainly for dental pain as a numbing agent.

These plants, in their raw form, are not harmful to NEARLY the same degree that the processed forms are.

I'm just in an argumentative mood today.

Okay then YOU ARE WRONG. FUCKING MORON!


Just kidding. I get what you are saying and we are BOTH right. Yay us :)

newb 07-22-2004 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by bloodrayne
I'm not "for" the recreational use of ANY drugs...But...As long as it doesn't affect me or mine...I don't care what anyone else does...Plain and simple
DITTO

orangestar 07-22-2004 08:35 AM

My dad (who is a policeman) would kill me if he knew this, but I'm all for legalization of pot. Its basically the same as smoking cigarettes. If you choose to do it, go ahead. Obviously there should be some huge penalties for driving while high, but do whatever you want in the privacy of your own home.

I just dont think making it illegal is stopping very many people from doing it anyway.

zwoti 07-22-2004 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by newb
DITTO
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/...i/legalize.gif

bwind22 07-22-2004 09:38 AM

Re: Re: The great MARIJUANA debate
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Vodstok
With that logic, God also made the coca plant and opium poppy.... and the drugs made from them KILL people...

At any rate, i agree. the worst that can happen is people get the munchies and act like idiots, which they were going to do anyway. Let the government profit off of it. They already tax the shit out of liquor.


Yay me, Post 1972, the year the Exorcist Came out :)

You say that like booze don't kill anyone. Idiots driving drunk are a lot more dangerous to my health and yours than someone tokin' some leaf at home on the couch.

Not to mention that drinking too much can kill you even if you are smart enough not to drive. Blood alcohal poinsoning, liver problems, etc...

Vodstok 07-22-2004 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by bwind22
You say that like booze don't kill anyone. Idiots driving drunk are a lot more dangerous to my health and yours than someone tokin' some leaf at home on the couch.

Not to mention that drinking too much can kill you even if you are smart enough not to drive. Blood alcohal poinsoning, liver problems, etc...

I figured you would come back with this eventually... :)

I'm not ssaying that at all. i know alchohol is very destructive. Shit, if you got too bad with oranges, something bad would happen.

ShankS 07-22-2004 10:41 AM

Alcohol never done me no harm.........



















































well it did a while ago, ended up in ER a few times to sleep off the drink, no one could lift me up, so a stretcher was the only option..... I've learnt my lessons now, no more binge drinking.

Vodstok 07-22-2004 10:45 AM

Yeah, i havent done that since i was 22. no more. too much puking and begging my freinds to get my stomach pumped....

Stingy Jack 07-22-2004 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by Vodstok
Yeah, i havent done that since i was 22. no more. too much puking and begging my freinds to get my stomach pumped....
Me after drinking too damned much:

Arioch 07-22-2004 11:13 AM

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My dad (who is a policeman) would kill me if he knew this, but I'm all for legalization of pot. Its basically the same as smoking cigarettes. If you choose to do it, go ahead. Obviously there should be some huge penalties for driving while high, but do whatever you want in the privacy of your own home.

I just dont think making it illegal is stopping very many people from doing it anyway.
THANK YOU!!! Finally someone i agree with 100% on this issue...thank you nine...

Freddy Krueger. 07-22-2004 11:24 AM

Re: The great MARIJUANA debate
 
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Originally posted by bwind22
while watching some South Park.
Whats so wrong with that?

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Originally posted by bwind22
That reminds me of a funny shirt I once saw. It said 'Man made beer.'

HappyCamper 07-22-2004 11:33 AM

where'd I put my bong?


I'm for the Legalization of All Drugs. If you've ever read the Constitution of the United States, it NEVER states that the government has the right to tell you what and what NOT to put into your body. As far as I'm concerned if you wanna fuck your body up with 'heroin, cocaine, etc' that's your own DAMN business.

The only time I think someone should be arrested for drugs, is when they're trying to sell it to kids. But if we made drugs legal, we could put the drugs back into the hands of the 'prescription companies' meaning that a marijuana, heroin or cocaine user would have to register as a user, which would be good. No more druggies dying from OD's or arsenic laced drugs. No more gangbangers shooting each other over 'drug terriority' No more kids getting arrested just for possession!

fluffho 07-22-2004 11:36 AM

anyone who wants drugs to be legalized..

try going to a country whos government doesnt givafuck what their peopel do. including drugs (philippines, for example.. which is part of the reason why my parents didnt want me going there)

then see what you think

HappyCamper 07-22-2004 11:49 AM

Just because a country decides not to outlaw drugs doesn't mean they don't give a shit about their people! What about countries like Jamaica and Holland? I don't see their people living in shitty conditions or fleeing to come here.

Arioch 07-22-2004 11:51 AM

Quote:

I'm for the Legalization of All Drugs. If you've ever read the Constitution of the United States, it NEVER states that the government has the right to tell you what and what NOT to put into your body. As far as I'm concerned if you wanna fuck your body up with 'heroin, cocaine, etc' that's your own DAMN business.

The only time I think someone should be arrested for drugs, is when they're trying to sell it to kids. But if we made drugs legal, we could put the drugs back into the hands of the 'prescription companies' meaning that a marijuana, heroin or cocaine user would have to register as a user, which would be good. No more druggies dying from OD's or arsenic laced drugs. No more gangbangers shooting each other over 'drug terriority' No more kids getting arrested just for possession!
Fuckin' A!

HappyCamper 07-22-2004 11:56 AM

thanks Arioch!

I think it's in Sweden or Norway, that people register as addicts. And I know that in Amsterdam they have 'hash' bars, were you can go and get high! I'm all for both of those here in America!

HappyCamper 07-22-2004 11:58 AM

fluffho, sorry didn't mean to attack you.

Arioch 07-22-2004 12:07 PM

We just need to let go of the heresy and bullshit and see marijuana for what it really is....no worse than cigarettes and alcohol....ESPECIALLY not alcohol...

fluffho 07-22-2004 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by HappyCamper
fluffho, sorry didn't mean to attack you.
no biggie

just that theres so much to this is all. example, look how fucked up our meds poilcy is already. prescriptions suck

and with the philippines. the main problem is majority of the druggies there are poor or homeless. i live in mid class sub urbia but just 15 minutes away we've got homeless people all over the place.

its not so much the well off folks but these people that would be very dangerous to give drugs too..

that and america is already ranked 8th best place to live, we've gone down due to low education, work.. etc.

i think we have a lot more problems to deal with before the drug issue

HappyCamper 07-22-2004 01:08 PM

agree with you there fluff, America does have a lot worse problems than illegal drugs...

for instance: that dumb ass we have for President

Vodstok 07-22-2004 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by HappyCamper
Just because a country decides not to outlaw drugs doesn't mean they don't give a shit about their people! What about countries like Jamaica and Holland? I don't see their people living in shitty conditions or fleeing to come here.
Been to Holland. not exactly the cleanest place on earth.... Could be a lot worse though.


The funny thing is... Our president DID illeagle drugs.. in college...

Candy Man 07-22-2004 01:22 PM

I think the kronic needs to be legal. Everyone like smokin some blunts now and then, and putting muthafuckas in jail cause they be having the shit is just all wrong. We be wasting so much time and shit with people arrested for just having an 1/8th. That shit whacked. Cops should be smokin it to. Than they be more mellow and won't be beatin a nigga they see that gots just a dime and shit.

bwind22 07-22-2004 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by HappyCamper
thanks Arioch!

I think it's in Sweden or Norway, that people register as addicts. And I know that in Amsterdam they have 'hash' bars, were you can go and get high! I'm all for both of those here in America!

Canada even decriminalized it. You can go to a hash bar in Vancouver if you want!

My thinking is this... A pretty good chunk of the population smokes weed. (I've never seen any numbers, but I would say a minimum of 20%.) Now those people may lead great lives, go to school, go to work, whatever, but in the eyes of the law they are criminals because they like to smoke a joint when they get home from a long day of work. That's simply stupid.

The fact that it is currently illegal, yet so many people smoke leads me to believe that stiff penalties are not a deterent.

How about if our government pulled their fucking heads out of their asses for once and consider a change of ideas? Instead of arresting harmless potheads and then complaining about overcrowding in the prisons, why not legalize it? Register the users (18+ only), charge a tax (this could be used to reduce our enormous debt). Then, 'the man' would know who's smokin and how much as well as who's selling, not to mention taking in a tidy profit.

Now that's my view on recreational usage. Medical and industrial is an even easier arguement to make. Instead of bitching about people cutting down forests so much for paper products, let's grow hemp fields. Hemp is a faaaar more effective form of producing paper products than lumber. (Interesting side note: Reefer Madness, the movie that played a critical role in getting weed outlawed in the first place, was hugely endorsed by William Randolph Heart, who owned a newspaper company and had a good deal of interest in the lumber companies.)

The medical benefits of it are for anyone to refute. Surely you can't justify calling a deathly ill cancer/chemo patient wanting to hit a joint to ease the immense pain they are in, a criminal, can you? It has also been proven to help reduce glaucoma.

California has already semi-decriminalized it. Nevada won't be far behind, but how long until the rest of the country figures it out?

feral cat 07-22-2004 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by HappyCamper
Just because a country decides not to outlaw drugs doesn't mean they don't give a shit about their people! What about countries like Jamaica and Holland? I don't see their people living in shitty conditions or fleeing to come here.
weed is illegal as fuck in Jamaca, because the US goverment makes sure pressure is put on them!!!

bwind22 07-22-2004 10:00 PM

Anyone notice that The Man deleted my 'Predict the next terrorist attack' thread?

What? We can't talk about terrorism now? I thought this was a free country.

:p

bloodrayne 07-22-2004 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by bwind22
Anyone notice that The Man deleted my 'Predict the next terrorist attack' thread?

What? We can't talk about terrorism now? I thought this was a free country.

:p

I thought you may have been mistaken...But...I checked...You're right...It wasn't even flaming...and no Darth...Strange :confused:


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