Abortion: Yay or Nay?
 

What is your take on abortion? Besides the poll, I'd like to know your detailed feelings on abortion.

Personally, I think it should only be used in instances of rape, incest, or where needed as a life saving procedure for the woman, (in an ER situation).

Not being a woman, I feel I have no right in restricting a womans rights with regards to her body.

I saw a bumpersticker once that said, " If you can't trust me with a choice. Why would you trust me with a baby!"

I feel I'm a responsible father, I have 3 children whom I love more then anything. It's not easy, most of the time, but we still go on, "laugh or scream".

It's just my opinion, and I respect yours, as I hope you mine.

'nuff said. Seems unanamous

I'd like to hear some of the womens opinions on here if at all possible.

if I had a sister I'd ask her, but I dont so I cant.

[just kidding]Women have opinions?!?!?!:confused: :eek: [/just kidding]

Where's Bloodrayne when you need her?

:)

Well, my thoughts aren't really represented by the options. I'm in favor of abortion (even in cases not involving rape or incest) as long as the fetus is not developed enough to be able to survive outside of the womb. This is what I have decided to be the determining factor in the question as to whether or not a fetus can be considered to be an individual being. If it cannot survive outside of the womb, then it is not an individual being. It is still part of the mother.

My wife and I have used every precaution in the book, and she still got pregnant. This was way back before we were able to adequately support ourselves, let alone a child. Accidents happen, even to people who are careful. And if you force a family to have a child they can't afford, then you are going to create even bigger problems not just to the families, but to society as a whole.

Plus, if you made abortion illegal all together, many women will simply resort to incredibly dangerous methods to abort an unwanted pregnancy. Sure, people may say that it is their bodies to do with as they please, and if they want to risk killing themselves, then let them. But, I think this is a pretty cynical view considering we can provide a safe alternative.

I DO think, however, that there should be limits put on the number of times a woman can have an abortion. Once she has used a clinic twice, on the third visit she should be required to have her tubes tied. This will avoid using the abortion clinics as a form of birth control.

I don't know how other people here feel about this ... and I hope I haven't offended anyone.

Sounds reasonable to me, stingy.

My thoughts exactly, though that's a little hard to make a poll option out of.

Bullshit, get to work slacker! :D

This is like asking a bunch of females if guys should get a vasectomy. Where are all the girls? I personally think it should be a matter of choice. As long as , like Stingy said, its not abused and used as birth control.
Of course if ya wanna really prevent an accidental birth....get married. Ya can't get pregnant if ya aint having SEX.

No no no, do what the Bush administration suggested at the world AIDS convention... Abstinance.


I swear to christ, the people that are THAT against abortion usually are because they know they should have been.....Dumb fucks....

Hahahaha! Funny! I'm married, and my wife and I have sex all the time, thank you very much. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get some more sex.

By the way ... any opinions on my new avatar?

I love it. i was just thinking about how it kind of freaks me out. Like mine? :)

Can you get me some...............please.......cool avatar.

I see what it is now upon closer inspection. However, it looks like a red headed skull at first glance.

I can't figure yours out. It looks like a guy in a ski mask and goggles getting his head slammed into the camera.

LOL... Sorry. Its the Archvile. Its a creature from Doom 2 that has made it into Doom3, where my gif is from.

Whoops. i dont even knwo my damn Doom.... Its a revenant:

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Is your avatar supposed to be black and white? Because it still looks like a guy in a ski mask to me.

I think that if you are mature enough to take on the responsibility of having sex, you should be able to deal with the consequences. If you really don't want to get pregnant, then close your fucking legs, skank! Don't go around fucking and sucking every dude you meet and then go get abortions when you get knocked up. People like that make me sick!

Whether Vod likes it or not, abstinence IS the only way to be 100% sure, so if you aren't ready for the risk, don't have sex. (Not to mention the diseases that are out there nowadays that can kill you or worse, make your naughty bits turn black and shriveled until they fall right off.)

I'm sure you're all glad that your mother chose to give you life instead of aborting your little infant ass and leaving to be tossed in the trashcan.

In Stingy's scenario, where a family that is financially unable to provide for a baby becomes pregnant unexpectedly, there's always the option of adoption. There's thousands of nice, caring folks that would love to take care of your child and provide for it like it was their own. Why kill the baby when there's a family one town over that could give it a wonderful life?

I think abortion should be outlawed with the exception of cases nonconsentual sex/rape/incest or if the mother's life is danger. (And even then it should only be AN option, not THE option.)

bwind22 ... I respect you opinion, but I think it is unrealistic at best.

First of all, saying that someone should "deal with the consequences" of unprotected sex doesn't sound like something someone would say who is actually concerned for the welfare of the kid. If you force a woman to give birth to a child that she does not want, she will view the child exactly as you termed it: a "consequence", a "punishment" for doing something she shouldn't have been doing to begin with. If a person is too irresponsible to have protected sex, then what makes you think they are responsible enough to raise a child? Remember, these are the very same types of people that make you sick, as you say. No, a child raised by such a person would live a very horrible life, I think. Not to mention the fact that the rest of us taxpayers will have to support these unwanted kids.

Second, abstinence is all great in theory, but people are going to have sex regardless. You can't stop it, no matter how much you educate. So, you might as well come up with a better, more realistic solution.

And third, it is not as easy to find a family that will take your child as you may think. Orphanges are full of children who have lived there all their lives, waiting for somone to adopt them. Many of these children will end up going into the world never having known anyone they could call a mom or dad. If people gave up all of their unwanted babies to adoption agencies, we would have a HUGE problem on our hands. There would be far too many kids to find homes for. Far too many. Not to mention the horrible burden the mother has to go through, both physically and emotionally, during the nine months she carries that child to term. AND the financial burden on the family. You could say that they should not have had sex to begin with. But, I refer you to my second point.

Besides, what if it gets to the point where overpopulation is actually going to become a serious concern? Would you change your views then?

No. My views wouldn't/won't change on this one because I believe that life begins at conception. To me abortion is murder. My responses are numbered in accordance with yours...

1- It is a consequence. It isn't a punishment. There's a big difference between what those two words mean, and maybe I was unclear how I worded it before...

IF you have sex (protected or non)... a possible outcome (consequence) is that you will have an unwanted pregnancy. If you can not accept that possibility, then you should not be having sex. Plain and simple.

I would contend that having, even a poor poverty stricken homeless welfare life would be better than being cut up and tossed into a garbage can before you even got out the birth canal, but maybe that's just my opinion.

2- I never said abstinence was the 'solution', but it is the only 100% sure way to avoid pregnancy.

3- The orphange thing, I would need to look into a bit more. If there are so many kids waiting to be adopted, then it doesn't make any sense to me why two ( 2 married couples) of my parents friends have been on adoption waiting lists for over 3 years. Like I said, I'll have to investigate that one a little bit. Something doesn't make sense there.

Yes, I may need to look into the number of unadopted kids myself. I don't understand why there are people on waiting lists while, at the same time, there are about two dozen faces on the adoption wall at Wendy's ... kids of all ages.

But, if you view abortion as murder (which, technically, it isn't. Murder is a crime. Abortion is not), then why would you say it is okay to perform an abortion in cases of nonconsentual sex/rape/incest? It certainly isn't the fault of the child! Is it not murder, in these cases? After all, the woman could still up the child for adoption.

As far as incest goes ... what if it is consentual sex between brother and sister? Would you say it is okay to abort because the child could be born with some mental or physical impairments? And if so, can a family abort a child they know will be born with mental and physical impairments even if it is not the result of incest?

It's a moral question, not legal. I disagree with a lot of what goes on in this country even though it's legal and I fully support other stuff that is not legal.

I personally dont think it's ever okay. But if a 13 year old girl got raped and became pregnant, it's a better arguement for abortion than some skank that cant keep her legs closed and uses it as birth control because unprotected sex 'feels better'. (I know this girl. She's had 4 abortions and she's 23 years old. She makes me sick. Fat, rude, obnoxious, disgusting pig!)

As I said before, in extreme cases, it could be considered as AN option (Not one that I agree with, but I am open minded enough to know that the world does revolve around the way I think things should be.) but not THE option.

Anyways, I gotta run. We can continue this later if you want...

cya

Personally, I think abortion should only be used if the woman was rape, incest, or where needed as a life saving procedure. But other wises, heres what I have to say:

A few ways to prevent pregnancy:

1. Condom
2. Pill
3. Anal
4. Don't fucking fuck dumbass
5. Don't dress in that tight little skirt and walk all sezy and "you know you want this but you can't have this" way. If you do, you should already tell the doctor you've been raped.

Y'know, I've never herd of a dude being raped before... I know why. A woman could get fucked ANY time. All they have to do is bend over and BAM. But us men have to go though dating, buying presents, laughing at their stupid jokes, and talk to them. Not that I really mind doing this (Well, part of me doesn't mind... damn split personality) but it seems kinda unfair.

Well I voted, but am keeping silent. :)

Nay

That sucks.

Some topics are just to controversial and sensitive. I really did have to participate though.

There are just too many unique situations to judge.

I CAN tell you though that I am strong on the opinion I have

abortion is murder, plain and simple.

Flame me if you want, but I think its 100% the woman’s right to do as she feels fit for herself and the child ... I have no time for sanctimonious interfering people when it comes to this subject you look after YOUR body and YOUR kids and let them look after theirs ... Its a very hard decision for a woman and I really doubt any one (except the most backward), see it as a form of birth control! Its all very well saying its wrong in all cases but unless you are prepared to look after all these unwanted kids yourself then really you should get on with your owns lives and stop interfering in the personal decisions of others!

Think i'm pro-choice but only in individual cases. Would try and promote adoption or fostering more maybe.

Dow know what things are like in the US but here in the UK I still think the biggest problem is that there are still too many underage kids having unprotected sex. There are parts of this country where the average age for first time mothers is below sixteen. Now i dow know bout you lot but i couldnt even support myself when i was sixteen. Think this problem shud be adressed as i expect many abortions these days are very young people.

Preacher x

That's really good looking out for the kid by the mom.

"Hey kid. I can't keep my legs closed and now I'm pregnant with you. Sorry, but I'm going to make my choice to never let you make a single choice of your own in your entire life by killing you before you are even born."

Yeah. Real loving.

How old are you? (I don't mean that offensively), just that the “legs closed” statement is not very in tune with the world we live in today. I am not pro or against abortion, it’s a sad and difficult choice for those involved and they don't need me to come along and judge them!
If it was band it would still happen, I have worked with adults with learning difficulties many into there 50's and a large percentage where the result of failed "back street" abortions, they went on to spend there life in care where many where sexually abused by there "Care workers" and or "Priests". Life is not always as black and white as you seem to think it is! How ever I respect your opinion and I hope you never face this decision!

I'm 24. And 'no', I'm not always politically correct. I call 'em as I see 'em and sometimes that offends people.

If I ever had to 'face this decision', it would be the easiest choice I've ever made in my life. Hmmm... To kill my baby or to not kill my baby... that is the question. My answer should be obvious.

I think anyone that has an abortion should be euthanized as soon as they become the slightest bit of a burden on someone else. I mean, that's what they would do right? If they were suddenly burdened with a 'problem' they didn't want, they would just kill it and be rid of the problem right? It only seems fair.

I can't agree with your views bwind22, but you put them in a fair and polite way so I respect them!
My point is, its not just about being alive, its about quality of life, those people I looked after had spend terrible unwanted lives, being abused and unloved ... was it really worth it just for the sake of it! I agree once you are born you should be looked after no matter what the burden on society, but that’s just not the way it is.

Funny thing the hard core pro lifers are also the most against welfare ... these people need to make up there minds if we are going to force everyone to go through the full term and have children then WE as a society have to get together and pay for them we can't have it both ways!

Not everyone is in a nice situation where the choice is so clear; if I was 13 years old and a homeless junkie having a baby does not seem such a caring thing to do … but each to their own opinion!

I don't really think that you would care much for my opinion on this subject, Ege...It doesn't exactly set with the majority (of course most of my opinions and general way of thinking do not)...But, if you really wanna know...My feelings on this subject have already been expressed quite nicely by Bwind and much to my surprise, Wufong...I would like to add that I agree 100% that a woman has every right to do whatever she wishes to HER body...If she chooses to cut her arm off, that's her business, but a baby is NOT a part of a woman's body...Any first year anatomy student can tell you that :rolleyes: ...and I don't think anyone has a right to decide to destroy another human being's body, even a baby's...as for the legal/illegal issue...The participants of Roe versus Wade (which is WHY it is legal) are so appalled NOW, because of what they have done, that they are seeking to overturn the ruling nearly every day, even though it isn't possible...Look into it