Abortion - actual thread
 

I'm gunna make a few threads about controversial issues. You don't have to start arguing about them, I just want to know what everyone thinks. But you can post an opinion if you want. Just be aware someone is probably going to argue with you.

Notice the options. I made two sets of options, which are pretty much the same, just some depend on how much you know about the topic. So pick between the two. Whether you know about the topic or not. There's a big difference between someone who's educated about a subject, and someone who decides blindly.

My opinion is... What the fuck is this doing on a horror movie web site?

Not to be rude, but seriously...this type of stuff has no place here. I know its the general forum, but I just don't see the point in it.

Must I go through the whole "this is a general forum, you can post what you want here"?

Did it ever occur to you, that I may want to know the opinion of horror fans on these controversial issues? It's important to know how everyone feels. Besides, you can only talk about horror so much until it gets completely repatative.

If you look in the site suggestions thread Sam proposed a new section made so that important topics like this can be discussed, instead of having to weed through the idiots on a general forum. Considering I made this thread 5 minutes ago, and you already replied with something stupid, he was right.

If you're unintelligible about issues like these, don't pay attention to them. Go back to watching your horror movies and being ignorant.

I'm completely against it.

I'm against it.

Hey, how about when you come into a situation when actually bearing the baby can cost the mothers life? Like in ectopic pregancy or when the you have a perimenopausal mother or when the mother was in an accident and she was bleeding profusely that only one can be saved (her life or her baby's)....what then? When it comes to these cases i'll go for abortion.

I realize that I left out a bunch of options, but the polls only allow you to have a maximum of 10. Plus, I didn't want to make it too complicated anyway :P

And stop showing off your pre-med knowledge lol

It's the womans choice, end of.
In this world you are sacred until you are born then you are on your fuckin own. You must be born, now please go have a shitty unwanted life and don't knock on my door for help, wtf is that?

It is the womans body, the womans conscience, it has nothing to do with anybody but that woman, in my view.
Sure if there is a man in the relationship he should be considered, but until he is prepared to pass a bowling ball out his ass he really isn't equal.
If your God wouldn't agree that's her problem not yours.

I would die myself, before I would kill my child...


I read this somewhere once...Allow me to share it with you...


"An abortion does not make a woman 'unpregnant'...It makes her the mother of a dead baby"

touche. LOL.That was not intended for you. ;) I was just thinking loudly.

and i'm not premed, i'm a medstudent. big difference.

Well, I remembered you were med something. :D

And I'm gunna be studying somewhere along those lines sometime, gunna become a veterinarian.. I hope anyway.

good for you! what was it that drew you in.. was it the blood? you're gonna be slaughtering a lot of animals (for study, of course) before you can actually heal them..:D SWEET.

Personally, I'd rather see more children bought up in a SECURE (both financially AND emotionally) household than see what I've been seeing over the past few years - A bunch of pram pushing 15-16 year olds that are ill equipped to raise a child, and would most likely give them a totally fucked upbringing anyway.
I think that if you don't have at least one of the following
*A secure job + housing
*A stable relationship with co-parent
*An Education
*Super-rich parents
You just shouldn't have a kid.
Can't Feed 'Em - Don't Breed 'Em...
Anyone can fuck up and make a mistake at a young age, and in most of those kinda cases, I'd consider it the responsible choice.
As for who's decision it should be, if you're in a "real" relationship
both parties SHOULD be involved in the decision, and this shouldn't be a problem, as a "real" couple would most likely want to discuss the situation, each partner hearing the others thoughts, pros and cons.
I'm not saying I'm "all for" people fucking around unprotected and having abortions as a regular thing either, I think they are the most irresponsible people out there.
However, I don't feel a person should be descriminated against for making a decision on the basis of necessity, one that could prevent themselves and a child from living in poverty....
-B

Abortion is a touchy subject. I know two people who have had an abortion, and although neither were in a position to raise a child it continues to haunt both of them.

... ... ... I simply can't comment on the choices of others. All I can say is BE RESPONSIBLE AND CAREFUL WHEN HAVING SEX. If you do that much, then I care not what you decide to do should something unwanted result. My opinions are my own, and I won't harrass other's choices in life...

For myself - I would not abort under any circumstance unless my own life was in serious danger.

i'm completely against it. One of my best friends, was the result of his mother being raped (very rare occurance...i believe i read somewhere that like less than 1% of rape victims actually become pregnant) anyway if his mom had decided to have an abortion one of my best friends wouldn't even have existed.

i do however as a libertarian (http://www.lp.org) believe that everyone should make the decision for themselves. I just wouldn't want my girlfriend or say my daughter to have an abortation.

one of my aunts had twins. well she became pregnant again a few years later, with tw ins. one morning she woke up and kept drueling, couldnt hold her head upo either.

turned out she had a pretty hefty brain tumor. they needed to operate, but that woulda killed the kids. she said hell no. and waited till they were born.

that was very dangerous. and 2 years later only now have i seen her. shes kinda odd..... so yeh in odd cases it can happen

im not aginst it nor am i for it! if you had sex and the condom broke or you were raped and dont want to have the child then i can see that abortion would be fit, but if you're haveing random unprotected sex, then to hell with you , youre having a kid!

abortion is a serious thing and the one thing everyone should think aboot is what if the baby, your kid was going to grow up and find the cure for cancer or aids. but you also have to take into turn that the world is already suffering in overpopulation, all over the world there are childer starving and dieing of illnesses because they are orphand, is it fair to bring a child into a world and then put him/her into a orphanage, making them suffer for your mistake? i think not!

so all in all i could go either way! and in most cases abortion isnt the way!

I'm for the choice, not necessarilly for everyone to go out fucking and not take any responsibility for it. I would have more sympathy for the pro-lifers if they actually had some brains and considered what they would be doing with the kids AFTER they are born. Do they sponsor orphanages? Give money to the parents of the kids? Do they do ANYTHING but thump their bibles (or whatever) and spout their opinion?

I have never seen one. As was stated earlier, life is beautiful and precious, until it is born. Eric Rudolf "cared" about those unborn babies so much he was willing to kill ones that had already established a life on this planet.

They want to dictate how people should live their lives, but do not want to take any responsibility for their declaration.

In the end, if a woman wants an abortion, let her have it and deal with the emotional aftermath (dont think they go right out and start fucking again, I've never known anyone who had ione that wasnt emotionally scarred by it), otherwise, if they have to have the baby, you fucking take care of it. You decided the child would live, then you decided HOW it would live, so take care of it, or shut the fuck up.

you could've worded the poll better. I'm not really "For it", since I'm not saying "Yeah, abortions for all!" or anything, I'm just against making it illegal. Most of the time the reasons for outlawing abortion are religious, and you can't take religion into consideration when deciding whether or not something should be illegal. Technically speaking, one could say that it's not even a mammal until it develops lungs and it's spinal cord. But my personal feelings don't matter in this case, because even if I were completely against them, I would still say they should be legal because the availability should be there for those who want them. Besides, they'll get them anyways. I'd rather them be done in a sanitary clinic with liscensed people performing them than in a basement by Abortion Larry.

im for it i think that u made it u should be able to destroy it its ur decision

I'm so sick of people saying that it's okay to abort your child because it's a part of your body....You know what? It isn't..A human being isn't something you can just throw away if you have too many or if you just don't want one...Pro-choice? What about the baby's choice? Do they ever get to make one? No, if not for the Mother's choice, their child would've been able to make many..Instead they are dumped before they are even able to see the light of day..I think it's just wrong...The love of my life was almost aborted..If he would have been, I would never know happiness like what he has brought me...If he wasn't here, I wouldn't have had someone to pull me out of my shell...to kill my depression..I wouldn't have had someone to share my feelings with....

In closing...no one is FORCED to have a child...They make the choice to have a child when they CHOOSE to sleep around

And what about rape?

As fucked up as this sounds but "Things happen for a reason" If a woman gets raped and gets pregnant I still dont believe in murdering that child inside her. It is awful when a woman gets raped PERIOD but I murder is murder. She can always give the child up for adoption..

I will refer back to something i said earlier:

Are you going to help the kid? PAy for it? Give money to an orphanage right now, or adopt an unwanted child and come back and say that again. Until then, i consider that opinion ignorant.

I still believe that it's not a human until it has the physical characteristics of a human, ie: Lungs, Spinal chord, all that.

Its a developing human, which doesnt necesarrily make it a person. It's sad that many people do it because they are irresponsible, but we're going on 7 billion people on this planet, and we cant afford to suffer for other people's stupidity.

I'm not saying it should be used all willy nilly just because the guy didn't pull out or something like that. I'm not saying it should be done at all. All I'm saying is that it should be available for those who aren't against it.

BTW, I find it odd that every Pro-Life person I know is for the death penalty

in the case of raped women... what do you tell the child later? that is to say, that the child is lucky enough to find his mother, and nowadays thats getting more likely

mommy??
oh my son
mommy, whos my daddy?
ohh.. some guy that raped me

great scenario

personally. id rather have a childkilled at 3 weeks of age than to see it being raised by fuckin 14 year olds.

now im not so sure how i feel about partial birth ab ortion, but in the cases of teenagers, id make a mandatory adoption.

boo ya

i am against it

rigth on wicked lady. well put

Okay, let's let the fetus decide whether or not it gets aborted or not. I mean, since the 'But what about the BABY'S choice' is TOTALLY valid and a really great argument, surely the fetus is capable of MAKING a choice, right?

I agree with that but as a man, I dont know what it is like to have a child or destroy one from inside my body. Therefore I feel that a man should have no say in what goes on in a womans body. Although myself I think abortion is wrong for me I cannot make a decision for the woman. I have always seen it as a life but it is not my life to take. It really is sad that some people use it as birth control, I just think its wrong.

Which in turn makes her unpregnant. It's not like she's still pregnant. I mean, I was under the impression that after you give birth you're no longer pregnant. But I'm a man, what do I know?

I hate how people say it's the "woman's choice." Don't you think the unborn human life has a choice, too?

I simply cannot understand how you can justify murdering a human life, just because it hasn't left it's mothers womb...

Abortionists are murderers, plain and simple. And isn't that ironic? How this is a "horror message board?"

It's not a human the whole time, though

Whoops, sorry. My mistake. Thank you, God.:rolleyes:

*sigh* It's just the same as you saying (or implying) that it IS human the whole time. At least there's something to back up that it's not human the entire time.

Says who? Who can ACTUALLY determine whether or not it's a human life? Seriously, just think about that.

After you're done, please, tell me, what are the secrets of the universe? Then, of course, I'd like to know the formulaic equation to creating human life. Thanks!

my neighbor was killed a week or so ago

she had a brain aneurism, underwent surgery.

2 weeks minimum waiting, till they try to revive her

2 days short of the 2 ewek mark she has a heart attack and another brain aneurism, much more severe than the first

they pulled the plug.. why? her brain was dead

you are not alive without a brain.. and a bunch of things develop BEFORE the brain ever does. which is why many people go along with first trimester abortions

Ok, let's assume that humans are mammals for a moment.

The characteristics of mammals include the following:
I've bolded the two important ones. Now, according to this site,
I'm assuming that the skeletal system includes the backbone, since it's not mentioned anywhere before it. Also,
in 8 weeks the organs are in place. Lungs aren't mentioned before this, so let's assume that the lungs are included with the organs. That's 6 weeks until the backbone is developed and 8 weeks until the lungs are in place. 2 whole months before you could even say it's a mammal.