Exploitation = New "In" genre?
 

So, Halloween started the whole slasher craze (shut up about Black Christmas, I know it came out first) that lasted a good long while, Scream started a similar craze that was more based on the 'witty dialogue' (none of the subsequent movies seemed to get it right, but still) and a sense of self-awareness (ditto), but that seems to have fizzled out a bit. But now with Devil's Rejects and the upcoming Grindhouse, and some others that I know I'm forgetting, it seems like the new craze is old 70's style exploitation style movies. Anybody think the studios will try to cash in, or will this one stay more with the people who are actually fans of the movies and are paying homage to them? Where do you think it'll go if/when it really starts to take off?

With the money the Saw films are bringing in, I think the studios will keep putting out these exploitation films until the public grows tired of them.

I miss actual horror films. :confused:

But are the Saw movies really exploitation movies? I'd put them more in the "crazy serial killer with over-complicated killing methods" genre with all the Se7en ripoffs

While not the best example of exploitation, I do think the Saw films are a large part of why films like Hostel, The Rob Zombie films, TCM remakes, Grindhouse, ect. are being made now.

I kinda see what you're saying, but I don't think they had much to do with Grindhouse or Devil's Rejects.

Japanese horror being remade into US Horror hasn't reached its peak yet and the exploitation thing is just beginning. I'm HOPING that once horror starts to make a comeback there are more atmospheric ghost stories like Session 9 or Devil's Backbone.

perhaps, but I think ghost movies are just kindof an 'old standby' type thing. They're always around, but they're not usually in the spotlight. I can't think of a time when the big thing in horror was ghost movies.

It seems in the last few years we have 2 different kinds of horror coming to theatres. The "R rated" horror that is mostly exploitational....and the "PG-13" horror that is mostly suspense. Not sure why this is the case.

Suespense and pg - 13 don't belong in the same phrase as horror!

I know, they're just filler usually... I'm waiting for one to come out that really bring that part of the genre to the front of the pack. Sixth Sense ALMOST did it... now all we get are PG-13 crappy ghost flicks that don't try. If you're not going to be rated R then you need to set yourself apart from the pack. We need a really good ghost story to set the pace. Poltergeist was big, Sixth Sense like I mentioned... it CAN happen.

There have been some GREAT PG-13 and PG movies though.

Some, but not many. Besides, how scary can a pg 13 movie be, it's ok for kids I guess, I used to love kids horror movies like gremlins and lost boys...

I think if Sixth Sense hadn't been nominated for Best picture, it would have more respect in the horror community. The majority of the big horror fans don't take well to the Oscars, and Sixth Sense getting associated with the Oscars kinda hurt its standing in the horror community.

It can be very scary. Just not very gory. I have yet to see "really fucking scary" listed as a reason why a movie has been rated R.

Realy scary in horror is generally associated with violence though, don't you agree?

I disagree. Something being violent is not the same as something being scary. Look at Kaïro. Excellent movie, heavy atmosphere, very suspenseful, not violent. Devil's Rejects; still very good, very violent, but not scary. It's all about timing. Just like comedy.

I'm more so referring to what the populas call horror, which is generally revolved around violence!

I still don't think they're scared by the violence. Perhaps the way the violence is used, but not the violence its self. And that would be an R rating for violence. I'm sure it'd get an R rating if the violence was timed for comedy than horror just the same. Think Evil Dead 2 would get a PG-13?

I never quite got into the saw movies..i found them quite bizare.
Theres nothing new out there anymore..i truly believe horror movies today have exceeded all limits or have over pushed certain boundries to the limit.
Instead of remaking or adding more sequels..they should concentrate more on
new ideas.
Everything has been out played over and over again.
I commented on 'the messengers' the 1st ten minutes into the movie..i predicted the outcome.
I for one am losing total interest in the whole horror scene. :rolleyes:

The original "The Haunting" (1963) ...Rated G. Scary as hell.

The remake "The Haunting" (1999) ...Rated PG-13 "For Intense Horror Sequences." Not scary at all.

grindhouse most certainly isnt influenced by any new movies. its ifluenced by grindhouse movies from the 60s and 70s

maybe the influence is that the makers of grindhouse are cashing in on an area that is undergoing a resurgence, therefore they are being influenced by recent movies. hope its as good as the hype would suggest

almost forget, watched 2001 maniacs on saturday night and it fucking sucked. please don't tell me that was a remake. it said on the box 'from the creators of hostel and cabin fever'. i liked hostel, a charming coming of age jaunt through europe, and haven't seen cabin fever. this is putting me off watching the latter. should i be worried? :eek:

I can agree with this. In movies such as The Devils Rejects, the violence in it is quite disturbing with rape scenes and very disgusting and perverted ways of torturing and killing people. I actually found this movie scarier than something like The Grudge for the fact that it's more believable.

you can divide horror into three areas- 1, spine chillers 2, toe curlers 3, shite. personally i prefer spine chillers as they are harder to come by and provoke more thought. toe curlers are good to watch with friends cause its just weird to watch sick shit on your own. and shite is the category that is compiled of all the movies that are attempting to fall into one of the other two areas, nobody likes them.

Yea. I like your three categories. I think the reason we don't get more of category number one is that it is too easy for studios to put out category number three, and people still go to the threatre/buy the DVD.

thats the worst thing for people like us. your average cinema punter is happy watching a horror if he leaves feeling slightly uncomfortable. whereas, if you watch a lot of horror and are quite knowledgeable then you know shite when you see it. and lets face it, horror more than other genres seems to have more than its fair share of it.

Those reasons you have listed are, I think, the exact reason for the popularity of the Asian stuff. Atmospheric, mostly ghostly revenge tales instead of gore, gore, and more gore. I like to refer to most of the 80's and 90's movies as, "look, I have boobies, touch them, AHHHHHHH! *blood, dismemberment, start again*". Not only that, but the Asian directors are shooting them with the same attention to cinematography as drama directors in the States do.