getting defensive over horror movies.
 

i got a problem with this.

"this movie looks stupid and fake"
"fuck you, get the fuck out of my room, curl up in a corner and die you worthless piece of shit"

anyone else do this? i got a problem with it were a feel like hitting people when they diss a movie im watching.

Re: getting defensive over horror movies.
 

i have to confess i am one of these people - as soon as a film loses my interest i start either a) picking out holes in the plot; b) pointing out (loudly) flaws in the cinematography or continuity errors; c) pointing out (even more loudly) the various ways that the film is derivative of some other superior films; or d) counting to 100 slowly and loudly until i'm thrown out of the room

apologies

no, if the movie is shitty, its justified, but if im watching evil dead for example, someone walks in and says it looks stupid, im gonna go ape shit.

like both me and my firend watched Jungle Holocaust, and i was perfectly comfortable with him ripping on it, because it was a boring sausage fest.

A fair point to bring up - but after years of defending the merits of 'bad' films, I now fall back on the comment:-

"OK - stick with what you know".

agreed - indeed, to follow the metaphor, i usually fling dung at those kind of people


you'd be surprised how quickly they leave

Yah, I'm this way, too.

What makes me the most sick is when people diss older films because, well, they're older.

"That movie's in black and white? What're you, my grandpa?! Go back to the 1800s!"

Oh shut the fuck up and go watch Grandma's Boy.

it makes me so mad when i'm talking to one of my friends and i make a horror movie reference or something and they have no fucking clue what i talking about. i then have to spend a half hour of my time explaining it to them. i need to get better friends.

i never gave a shit about what people think of the things i like Mind you - although i love horror films my interests are pretty well rounded. (i'd hate to think that there were people out there so limited that horror is all they would watch)

i find that the vast majority of people either dont care about film or only watch mindless pap .. but thats their thing ...

i dont shit on their choices - they dont shit on mine


i am realizing that there arent very many horror fans around though ...

I tend to explian the merits of a film to those who may be bagging on it.

If they don't get it right away I continue to film-geek out, ripping into the person's inability to see, define or appreciate quality filmmaking while expressing my deep love of the film's subtext/social importance/influence etc.

Infantile? a little. Effective? hell yeah.

its often like explaining quantum physics to a 3 year old.
in english - and the 3 year old is russion.

Often though, the horror film is a scapegoat for 'bad' - cue irritated questions of "What do you want to watch all that violence/gore/crap for?", and "You sick twisted fuck".

Some folk will decide you must have something wrong with you to want to see all that.

It would perhaps be nice to prove them right and murder them from time to time, influenced by violent movies.


:D

i'll be the first to say i have limitations .. i dont find the ultra extreme 'pseudo-realistic' sadistic crazy shit to my liking.
I understand people checking them out - out of curiosity.. but i think that an obsession with them .. like anything .. is questionable and unhealthy as far as my way of thinking goes.

but again .. its something i'd discuss .. not something i'd push my opinion on ..

and if it really bothered me i'd just avoid the person.

for me .. i still say that when i watch a movie i want to be entertained ... the hard core stuff isnt my kind of entertainment ..

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And everyones taste in movies is different. There are movies out there that believe it or not, I just cannot stomach because of bad camera work, acting or whatever.

Dissing a paticular person all together because of their taste in movies is something in a complete field of it's on.

If someone says I suck because I enjoy watching movies such as "Carnival Of Souls" or "Night Of The Demon", they can forget ever talking to me again because dissing me on that level is just dumb.

When did you start posting in the general section?

Good to see you here.

Yes, like anything watching the same extreme violence over and over would not be healthy.

It's fun to discover, experience, share, then shelve for a while until needed again - perhaps for reference or creative ideas (or just plain boredom).

But some people seem to think, as soon as you start talking about a violent film, that this is what you are into - sometimes they try to blur the line between a film genre and human desire. That you must be what you choose to watch.

More likely they themselves are unable to draw the distinctions, which is rather worrying - but explains a lot about general society.

you hit the nail on the head ...
and that goes for a lot more than horror films ..
also sex ... politics .. etc ...any major facet of the human condition.

people who are weak minded dont know they are .. and they think everyone else should probably think the way they do.

sadly - they are the majority and they set the bar for the rest of us.

I don't have limitations(Or perhaps I just haven't gotten to it yet.), but I'm not going to watch a movie over and over that I find overly disturbing, 'Irreversible' for example.

horror is horror to me. ive never seen a movie that was too disturbing for me to watch.

Neither have I but I'm not going to watch it over and over. Maybe once or twice within the week or so of purchase but after that it's getting shelved for awhile.

i wonder what it is about gore that i love so damn much. I mean, its just redness and wet things and liquids, but it is SO damn satisfying...wtf is wrong with me lol. but i show some of my friends my horror movies, and they seem to love it too.

ya that was definetly a one time watch kind of thing. sometimes I give that film to one of my friends "c'mon, you'll love this movie, its great fun":p

Nothing wrong with you. Bloodlust is hardwired into the human condition and has been explioted by storytellers since story itself began.

-Cave paintings of the hunt and the kill
-The brutals fights in the Epic of Gilgamesh
-Oedipus, Medea, Antigone (throwing sex into the mix)
-Beowulf
-Romeo & Juliet is a freakin' bloodbath (to say nothing of Titus Andronicus)
-The Grand Guignol of Paris

and on and on and on

Us horror geeks are just a little more in tune with (and less afraid of) our inherent bloodlust:D

+ IRREVERSIBLE SPOILER +


I'm hesitant to watch Irreversible again, in anticipation of the rape scene. Knowing that this alarming ten minutes is always coming is something of a turn off every time.

Interestingly, even once the rape has passed in the middle of the movie, the viewer knows it has yet to happen as we reach the end - so catharsis never arrives. Only re-watching the film and witnessing the retribution right at the start provides any relief, and even this is shattered when we learn that the man battered to death was not the villain.

All things considered, this could well turn out to be one of the most important films of this century.

a lot of things are hardwired into the human condition - that we've conditioned ourselves out of.
(well most of us)

supposedly there has been a progression away from the time when we bashed someones head in with a rock because we wanted what he had.

i think i understand it - and aknowledge it .... but in tune with it ?
i hope not !

I own everything from Disney to porn, and I have a lot of stuff that people freak out about. For example, I own Grease 2. Yes, it's a horrible movie. Yes, most people don't like it. The fact is, the more you annoy me about my shitty movies the more I'm going to put them on every time you come visit. Then eventually, you either stop bitching or don't come over.
Very simple.

Hell................ that's what I should do! What a great way to intentionally annoy someone who's being stupid.

wait. explain this to me, isaw the film with chinese subtitles, so i wasnt really in tune with what was going on..who was killed then?

Whoo-boy...

My dad, Master of Inconsistencies and Double Standards is constantly riding my case about my love for horror. Then, friends and neighbors, he goes on and on quoting shit from the Old Testament, which is nothing but one bloody bloodbath after another, and often times "God" sanctions the killing of children.

I tend to like horror films for the same reason I like ghost stories: the story. For me: Case closed.

a collegue, pay attention and you'll see le tenia is in the crowd in the club but it is not him who attacks vincent cassel, and is then attacked by the ex husband.

agreed - this film turns almost every cinematic convention on its head and really deconstructs the whole experience of watching a film. . . disturbing but undeniably powerful

I have no problems with people expressing their opinions and dissing something I like, as long as they perhaps give a coherent reason as to why, and say that its a matter of their OPINION.

However, I do have problems with people STATING that things are bad, rather than saying that in their opinion it is bad. Everyones entitled to free speech yes, but then people shouldnt be annoyed if they get flamed back for a stupid comment if we are entitled to free speach.

People shouldnt just say something is shit, without a reason why they think that and then expect people to stay civil to them.

I think many seasoned internet message posters would agree that dispensing with 'IM(H)O' and the like is the best thing they ever did in cyberspace.

Who else's opinion are you expected to be broadcasting?

Politeness doesn't have to mean meek or unassuming.

However I agree that simply stating something is shit without giving valid reasons can be inflammitory, but also insignificant.

It's shit! Shit I say!:D

Ahem...:D You can always baffle them with bullshit, though, right, P? Right?;) I kid. I kid.

You're right. When it comes to film...hmmm... Let's have a model.

What film is in fact shit, and why?