Alcohol V Weed
 

Just thought I'd get a few peoples perspectives on the whole deal...I myself had to justify myself to a friend who drinks on a regular basis.
To me, it's just a matter of how each would effect you personally.
I'm not here to try and change anyones opinions or anything...so yeah, here's my side of things, I'll just repost my side of the convo I had earlier...

"I personally think it's a little more sensible than drinking...but that's only from my individual perspective, I don't expect anybody to have to adopt my views on the matter. The way I see it, if it's done in moderation, there shouldn't be a problem with it.
I don't drink alcohol (apart from y'know occasions n shit), or smoke tobacco...so overall my body is in better shape than the majority.
For at least myself, weed does not induce violent behaviour, and you'll be WAY less likely to be involved in a car accident.
Why? Because alcoholics seem to think it's a good idea to drink drive when they're wasted, where those that are stoned simply cannot be bothered to.
I'm kinda sick of getting judged about this, yknow?
I mean a lot of people that have worse, more self destructive, and more REGULAR habits (eg smoking and drinking) actually put shit on me, simply because of the legality issue, or using the same old "it's a gateway drug" line, yet to date, all I've tried is weed, and 'shrooms (once), and nothing manufactured.
Again, I maintain that I'm doing my body far less damage with what I do, and I'm also less of a public threat this way...dont ya think? No secondary smoke for others, no getting into fights (trust me, when I'm drunk, I'm one big, angry, almost unstoppable motherfucker), no drink driving...see, when you just THINK about it, it's pretty much better for the user, and the general public than either drinking OR smoking...
As for the legality issue, in my opinion, this was clearly a law created to benefit the drinkers.., and enforced by those that aren't prepared to meet half way. Laws aren't always fair.

So...thoughts?
Let's try to keep it mature, shall we?

there's no contest .. alcohol is far worse.

exibit a: Shanks..

seriously .. alcohol is worse ...

the piss poor arguement people want to raise with weed is that weed leads to bigger and worse things.

bullshit. the willingness to experiment led to the bigger and better things.
if you have an addictive personality you will always press forward.. keep trying things to the excess.

Weed is not a stepping stone to hard drugs.
Only a fool would think so... someone looking for the easy answer.

alcohol has done more damage in society than any other abusive substances combined.

i dont

im too weird as it is.

Urgeok...
Despite our past issues,
I like where you're coming from here man.., not just that you were agreeing with me, but you make a good point, a good, honest, and true to life point.
My respect for you has raised significantly, however much you personally value it.

- B

what is B stand for?

i agree, weed doesnt make you sick or feel like shit the next day. weed is all natural, you pick it, dry it, smoke it. ive never met anyone who got weed poisoning, although i do know several who od'ed on drink. there is no fermentation process in weed. try this, the next time you smoke with a couple of people, put a tape recorder in the room, with their permission of course, and you will hear some of the deepest conversations you will ever hear. try it with alcohol, and eventually all you will hear will be crying and i love you man and shit like that.

B stands for my name.
I'll let you know somewhere down the line...maybe.

Nice to meet you, bonesaw...good point about the convo's.

weed has an undeniable mellowing effect.
the abuse of alcohol often draws out the true nature of the person.
Whatever you harbour beneath the surface ,, out it comes for better or worse. generally worse because most people dont hide their good traits .. unless they're shy.

alcohol has a high chance of doing the jekyll n hyde dance with most people where weed doesnt seem to at all.

i'm not going to even get into all of the far reaching social ramifications because we all see them in the news every day.

weed ... boosts the sale of junk food ... great for the economy.

the usa is pissed at canada actually because we are more lenient on possession, where the usa see it as a direct slap in the face of their 'war on drugs'

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I like to drink and I also smoke on occasion, but I prefer drinking to be honest. For one thing, it's socially acceptable and in general, most people won't hold anything against you if you drink. I also just prefer drinking with friends as opposed to smoking with them.

I think both smoking and drinking are good in moderation (Stress relief with smoking and social benefits with drinking) but the extremes of both are definately hazardous to your health.

Of course, with alcohol you also have drunk driving. Which is why, in my opinion, Alcohol is definately worse.

nice to re-meet you again. ive been around for quite some time, someone just likes to ban people around here.

What about Weed Vs Alcohol Vs Manufactured?

I would go the third option if I had a choice - but only in extreme moderation.

Bonesaw...ok then, what are your previous names?

"it's socially acceptable and in general, most people won't hold anything against you if you drink."

Acceptance isn't that important to me, because it's only really those that cannot accept the "evil" in their own habits that don't accept the lifestyle choices of others. Acceptance SHOULD be a two way street, but to a lot of people, it's unfortunately very black and white...seriously, I can understand the "merits" of getting tanked for some, I just personally don't share their enthusiasm for alcohol.
Dogma is HUGE on this topic.
I am glad you seem willing to at least look at both sides of the issue.


I_S_K, I guess if you're up to the RISK of the more chemical drugs, that's all good...no doubt you're aware of the issues surrounding use of the manuactured drugs.
I'd suggest if you wanted to try something along those lines, try mushrooms. They're available from about newcastle upwards (for us aussies), they're quite fun, and they would HAVE to do less damage than the "pills" of various discriptions that are on the streets nowdays. In my "as yet unexperienced in chemical drugs" point of view, I'd say that the effect would more than likely be easier to handle, and probably more fun.

Of course, marijuana isn't the only thing to smoke. I grow a rather interesting plant at home called Salvia divinorum (aka diviners sage)...if you can make an extract out of it, it makes for quite a good smoke. It's known as a "shamanic" herb.
If you smoke a joint or cone of this stuff, it literally has an amazing effect..similar to REAL lsd (shrooms), but a little more overwhelming, you feel like you're falling, and simply cannot stop laughing...the whole thing works almost like an outer body experience. It can be a little much, so anybody considering use should take it slowly. Best thing is, for some reason it only lasts for about 3-5 minues per hit, then the effects simply dissapear...no after effects, nothing, you just all of a sudden snap out of it.
If anybody is able to get this, I'd suggest investigation, especially if you're looking for something a little more "interesting" than weed. It's a good, non-manufactured alternative.

Anyone else wanna say anything?

- B.

I'll just keep this pithy and logical...

Weed > Alcohol.......For SOOO many reasons, but mainly for health, behavioral and safety reasons

CHEEB SMASH!!



Just like a banana!




Like David Hasslehoff!


Sorry, Im just in a random mood, lol

I made the mistake of watching Jeepers Creepers with my ex, high on pot. Well fuck i was scared shittless. I was so involved in it freaked the fuck out, and he just grabbing me a going boo. I almost pissed myself prior to beating the fuck out of him.

But i go for pot although i don't do either regularly:mad:

I dojnt care for weed at all. Makes me sick, i hate the smell, and i enjoy getting asn alchohol buzz far more. That said, i 90% enjoy alchohol for the flavor. Getting smashed is a nice side effect that i generally avoid.

Being that i am 98% squeeky clean (for mosty of my life), i dont care if weed would make my penis 3 inches longer (like it needs to be, har-har) and give me bionic powers, it's illegal so i wont touch it. Add to this myt wife is a criminal justice major and wants to be a cop, i wouldnt and couldnt try it again if i wanted to.

I think fluff and i might be on the same page for this one.

Last, but certainly not least, pot doesnt come in these cool-ass bottles:
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LOL...I don't indulge in ANY drugs...Unless you count the occasional Jack Daniels at the club...But, I still have an opinion on the matter............Don't you guys just HATE when someone "doesn't know a fucking thing about it but just HAS to have something to say about it anyway"?...lol...My previous post on this matter is still correct, though;)

A quote from southpark:

"Having never done drugs, i can tell you with certainty that they have absolutely nothing to offer."

I am generally against drug use (seen too many people with horribly fucked up lives as a result), but i tell you what, Percocet is a wonderful, wonderful thing. I would say the same thing about demerol, but i was hooked up to the IV for .00000000003 seconds before i was out cold.

Vod, I agree with your choice...I mean, you gotta prioritise right?
If I were in the same situation, I'd be right with ya.

I enjoy a beer here and there to, and have to admit, there's times I still hang with my drinking buds and knock back a few, yknow...not nearly as often as I used to.
Other than that, it's the occasional red wine with dinner, for the whole alleged antioxidant bit...
As for semi-regular use, I just look at which one's personally done me more damage...so yeah, unfairly illegal as it may be, I gotta go with the occasional weed rather than drink.

FK, I have to admit that one time I was too friggin' stoned to watch idol hands...can't believe it, how fuckin' shameful...

- B

one of the beautiful things about being an older guy is that you get to see the benefits of both drugs and alcohol via friends, family, and aquaintences.

I have never smoked a cigarette .. i've never taken any form of non prescription drug.

I drank a bit when i was a kid .. but as i got older the reality of losing a valuable day on the weekend with a shitty hangover lost its appeal. I hardly drink a damn thing now since my kid was born .. i dont know if i have more than 1 or 2 a month.
If i go out and its appropriate i might have 1 or 2 beer or caesars (something you poor americans havent heard of .. its the drink of the gods)

but although i understand the attraction of a slight happy buzz .. i am a fast drinker and by the time that little buzz comes (if at all) i have already lined up a great deal of alcohol waiting to enter my blood stream .. and i'll end up sleepy - with a headache.

I guess thats my true nature ...a tired guy (re my earlier post)

I dont knock alcohol .. i knock the people who use it to excess that cant handle it.

I'm completely with Vod on the legality issue ..
if i smoked .. i wouldnt think anything about smoking weed .. if it was legal.
Why it isnt legal i dont know since tobacco is .. which is insanely addictive.

therein lies the confusion .. the inconsistency of government and law.

if you are going to make weed illegal then cigarettes and alcohol should be too.

man that was a long note .. i need a drink .... bartender !

o ya. that'll stop ya alright, cause we all know how cops never condone the use of mara.:rolleyes: im sooooooooooooooo jk.
but on a serious note. what cheeba said about people not driving while effected by the drug isn't quite correct. and its just as dangerous to smoke and drive as it is to drink and drive. just like drunks, stoners will always say and think that being under the influence doesn't effect their ability to drive. i don't know the exact number. but i think the number of car crashes amongst people under the age of 30 have been involved about 60-70% of them had drugs in their system.

You are correct there, wufong. ANYTHING that inhibits your concentration or motor skills is dangerous. try having 3 or 4 cigarrettes on an empty stomach. the nicotene goes straight to your brain and makes you woozy.

In Cheeba's defence, though, he said that smoking weed makes you unmotivated to drive in the first place.

its hard to drive with a pizza in one hand a bag of cheezies in the other and a stack of 'b' horror movies on your lap :)

Ohhh...It's not as hard as you might think......... :p

"God gave you all seed-bearing plants to use."

^^^ That's in the Bible. Also, it common knowledge that our the founders of America farmed hemp. As a matter of fact, the U.S. Constitution is written on hemp. So how, you may ask, did it come to be illegal? Well, well, well... Lucky for you, here comes bwind22 to shed some light.

Ever heard of the movie 'Reefer Madness'? Well, it happens to be the most popular in a wide variety of anti-marijuana propaganda films released to the public in the 1930s. You see, hemp is a more effective form of paper production than trees. That presented a problem for many lumberbarons (Like William Randolph Hearst) and, potentially, threatened their wealth. Lucky for them, they had friends in high places. They called in a few favors and the next thing you know, we have propganda movies like the aforementioned 'Reefer Madness' portraying users of marijuana becoming suddenly unable to control their lust or sporatically plunging through an 8 story window to their death. The rest is history and here we are...

That last paragraph is exactly how and why marijuana is illegal in the USA.

That being said, I've smoked weed pretty consistently for the past nine year. :D

bwind... the voice of pro-weed conspiracy theorists.

Not all hemp has THC in it. And our founding fathers werent exactly the most reputable, idealic people we once thought.

yup hemp is a fantastic plant. and not just for smoking. the tasmainian goverment here has just allowed trials on this generic engineered plant. to be used for paper ropes ,clotheing. or w/e. the only diff between this plant and a regular plant is that you would have to about a acre of the stuff to just geta slight buzz. in fact they said you'll be dead from smoke inhalanation before ya could get buzz.

I think most of you know which one I would pick.
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I tried the maryjane when I was younger and didn't like the paranoid feeling I would get.

Of course growing up with a cop for a dad may have had some bearing on my choice of substance.

But... but... but... You're Budman! :eek:

I thought for sure you were a toker! :)

wrong bud, mon :)

Oh Great...Thanks, Bwind..Now I've got that song stuck in my head.....





...a joker....a midnight toker....





lol





Dammit....

i actually prefer to be droned (drunk and stoned). absolutely cannot stand the smell of ciggs so never went near that crap, i've actaually gone through two pipes (one i broke, another a friend broke) and am on my third. i've learned to keep back ups

There is no logical, non-conspiracy way of explaining why alcohol is legal and pot is not. A pothead is not going to slam into you head on going 95 with no headlights on a freeway. Drunks can and do, all the time.

Gateway drug, my ass! I guarantee most pot smokers had a puff of a cigarette before they had a puff of weed. Why isn't tobacco the gateway drug? It's all about money.

Take 1 look the number of fatalities attributed to each substance each year and I think the numbers will speak for themselves...

There is no fucking way that marijuana is anywhere near as dangerous for the user (and those around them) as alcohol.

If anyone can show me one single piece of evidence to contradict that, I'll gladly eat my words, but until then I have to say that alcohol has no place being legal in a society that bans marijuana. It's fucking ridiculous!


Legalize the herb!

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(Thanks Zwoti!)

Alcohol is for sure worse than weed!! Now let's talk about Percocet, demerol and all that great candy!! I will probably be sorry for telling you guys this but here goes.........I have a major problem with pain pills. I have had alot of surgerys like 30 something. It snuck up on me. hell it's legal or so you lie to your self and say i need this and at first you do. then one day you wake up and find you can't stop. I have been fighting this for 20 years . I have had it under control off and on. but I am loseing the battle. It has ripped my life apart more than once. I am clean right now but god it's fucking hard. I think about and when i sleep i dream about it!! half of me wants it so bad and the other half knows it WILL be the death of me.
well for the people that did like me i guess i just lost alot of you by telling on myself. I'll shut up now I'm starting to ramble!!

I never had a problem with you and now I like you even more. Pass the Vicodin.

And there's the problem in a nutshell. It feels so fucking good.
The worst thing is my oldman has 120 Vicodin the 10 mil. kind. so it is in my face.

i'd like to think that the folks here are understanding enough to reserve judgement on something that is a very common problem.
ask several sports pros ....

Ever listen to "Mother's Little Helper" by the Rolling Stones?

Sorry, its topical.

Hey, mix both together in the same session for fun, fun, fun!