Originally Posted by Sculpt (Post 1012235)

Yes, subtitled, dubbed, or an audience that doesn't understand the language, it's not the way the director intended it. I considered that a given. I concede that was a poor choice of phrasing on my part; however, I explained what I meant by it, which was not the least bit bullshit.

Originally Posted by Sculpt (Post 1012235)

You seem to forget subtitles are also a translation of the original dialogue. Dub or subtitle, it's the same translation, good or bad... the subtitle writer can get it right or wrong, same as dub writer. Or were you just on a tangent? You can't lump that one in on dubs over subtitles.

Originally Posted by Sculpt (Post 1012235)

I love the voice as well, and the voice cast is important to me. I agree with you. But one tends to lose things in both cases: sub or dub. The question comes down to which film characteristics are more important to you personally

To you, the voice of the actor cast is more important than missing other film aspects. That's great. I'm not disputing, nor insulting, that value. (Or, you read so fast and well, you never miss anything. That's great too. I'm happy you're that adept at it. Not everyone else is.)

Originally Posted by Sculpt (Post 1012235)

For me, the most important aspects are the visuals, as it's a film; not a book, nor primarily an audio art form. It sucks that the voice is not the same as the actor, but that's one defect I prefer to the other option: missing a random mix of dialogue, facial expressions and background information. That sucks worse for me.

Originally Posted by Sculpt (Post 1012235)

You can say watching dubbed films is lazy... but you should know that's a very cliche, inaccurate, uninformed, and thus, lazy statement. I read a wide array of subject matter all the time. Laziness it not my motivation. I've already clearly stated my reason. If you want to say I'm lying, you're wrong. Do you really believe I haven't studied an array of scholastics and have no interest in other cultures? Don't lump me in with the woefully uneducated and culturally uninterested, just because I prefer dubbed to subtitles. That's not a logical correlation.

Originally Posted by roshiq (Post 1012237)

The Finest Hours (2016)

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>>: B-

Originally Posted by Baron Von Marlon (Post 1012230)

You MIGHT miss a little and if that's the case there's the rewind function.
And during action and/or scenes with a lot of special effects, there's usually less or no dialogue anyway.

To me it's about the art. People get casted for several reasons, I'd like to think their voice is one of those. It's part of who they are and therefore part of the character they play.

Originally Posted by Sculpt (Post 1012231)

Exactly, my sweet Roiffalo!

I've watched a lot of subtitled films, but I'm pretty much done with them. Has to be a very special film for me to bother.

Last subtitled films that were a good experience for me was Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Kung Fu Hustle and Journey to the West. Might notice a trend there... Asian films with slow and simple enough dialogue.

Really, I'm not a speed reader, and I'd just assume kiss a Wookie to trying to catch every typed word while watching a film. Some subtitled films are fine for me (amount & speed of text), others are ridiculous. I'll never know going-in which it will be.

Also, (like some of what Roif was saying) I appreciate the artistry of FILMS and BOOKS, and loathe the unintended jumbled mutant breed of the two. The directors didn't intend to have their audiences' eyes dragged along the bottom of the screen reading text. I want to catch everything going on in the film, as intended. I don't think I can always absorb all the facial acting and important background information while reading the bottom of the screen. I don't enjoy trying. If I don't enjoy it, why would I do it, unless it was important beyond simple entertainment?

Besides, growing up on Japanese cinema and TV, and being a sound guy, I have a high appreciation for good dubbing. And I've enjoyed a lot of very entertaining dubbing. It can be done very well, and I'd like the film industry to build that industry with more professional english dubs. With increasingly good non-english films being produced, there's a big market for it.

Originally Posted by Baron Von Marlon (Post 1012236)

I think if people tried a little harder, they might adapt and dubs wouldn't be necessary.

Originally Posted by Roiffalo (Post 1012241)

Only time I found them bothersome was when I get distracted by a sound or my eyes linger too long just anywhere, and I miss a line and have to rewind. It's annoying but tolerable. But it's also why I can't even read books anymore without a plot line or characters that'll just suck me in almost literally. Otherwise I stare at the page thinking about all the things I could be doing instead. Also why I prefer short horror stories as apposed to long ones.

Originally Posted by Roiffalo (Post 1012241)

But it's also why I can't even read books anymore without a plot line or characters that'll just suck me in almost literally. Otherwise I stare at the page thinking about all the things I could be doing instead. Also why I prefer short horror stories as apposed to long ones.

Originally Posted by Angra (Post 1012245)

"Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" 8/10

I don't remember if it was Marlon or MichaelMyers (or somebody else) who recommended this movie to me a little while ago, but whoever it was, thank you. It was a lot of fun and I was laughing my ass off throughout the entire silly story. Instantly became my favorite John C. Reilly comedy.

Originally Posted by Sculpt (Post 1012258)

Yep, like you said, sometimes I'll be reading a book, & then I'll find myself staring past the page, daydreaming about something else. That ADD? ::big grin::

Originally Posted by Baron Von Marlon (Post 1012259)

Glad you liked it.
I think it's quite underrated and one of the better spoof movies.