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Two completely different kinds of fun with booze and weed. I prefer weed on weekdays, cuz I don't like to move around that much... but on weekends I gotz to git fonky wit da likka.

If you absolutely must play alcohol and cannabis off against one another, it should be noted nobody has ever officially died from cannabis abuse.

However, more people die directly from smoking than from alcohol - and tobacco is often an integral part of inhaling cannabis.

If it is smoked on its own, it leaves the harmful psychotic effects of long term use. Scientists are certain cannabis can serve as a trigger of latent schizophrenia, a possibility that seems highly likely to anyone who has ever experienced disorientation, confusion and paranoia after smoking a joint - i.e. everyone.

There is a large defensive crowd of dope-takers, and it is often applauded as a safer alternative to alcohol - that it is a peaceful, sociable drug as opposed to the violence and anti-social behaviour attributed to hard drinkers.

Cannabis is generally illegal because the consequences of its use lead to a more damaged society than with alcohol, not because of taxation.

I doubt many constant heavy users have ever reached professional and respected heights through the lethargic and introspective nature of the drug, and by contrast many achievers have been brought down by alcohol.

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Hrmm...i tend to disagree..
if it smokes it floats ..if it floats ..other people inhale.
It has been proven that a person dakking it up in a room full of people..the non dakkers will always be affected..possibly come out as stoned.
There is no justification for either smokers,
or drinkers.
'note' em a tobacco smoker' so em not trying to come across holier than thou'.
The original arguement is weed vs alcohol..
Heres my theory...if it enables you to think straight or perform normally ..then its harmful.to yourself.
I personally will not sit n attempt to hold a conversation with a drinker or a dakker once they have had a few..its like talking to a newborn baby.

Easily alcohol. i think weed is kind of boring and it makes me feel like shit for some reason, and I gain a rediculous amount of weight everytime i smoke it because i cant stop eating, and it kills too much coordination, and its easy to get tested for. just a couple reasons of why i dont like it. mixed with alcohol, its great. but on its own, alcohol totally wins.

Nontheless, cannabis remains illegal in most quarters, while alcohol is not.

If the drug was made legal, children would have far easier access to it and there would not be such a stigma attached to indulging in getting stoned. There should be a stigma attached to using cannabis - it is increasingly leading to psychosis in regular users.

I have doubts about there being many many successful wealthy happy healthy people who SMOKE every single day in the world (let alone ones you know), but I'm sure most pro-cannabis users will make similar claims. Try taking away their dope then, and saying "no more" - do you think they will still be happy? The detached "high" provided by the THC is an addictive altered state.

Lots of professional people consume alcohol on a daily basis, but in order to remain professional, they must restrict their units of intake. Getting stoned every night leads to respiratory and psychological trauma quicker than any liver-damaging effects of alcohol.

There is of course no right or wrong in the case of any recreational drug (Ecstasy or Acid? Speed or Cocaine?), and it is up to the user to decide his or her intake. The real problem is when it stops becoming fun (which it does, and quicker than most people think) but must continue as a habit, as a need - all the while further deteriorating health with the fun and the old buzz long gone.

Children as young as 10-12 are easily accessing marijuana now..
It has nothing to do with legalisation..its more to do with control.
Right now there is no legal age to buy a tinnie..even though its not right and shouldnt be done...its happening.
I live in south auckland ..NZ ..equivelant to
the bronx in the usa...
Ths is the trend we found a copycat from what they have seen on movies..
old man befreinds child..
offers child money...xboxes..clothes..drugs.
old man now turns out to be a gang prospect who tells the child that they owe big time for all the gifts..
child is sent to recruit his/her mates..hitting the schools.
We have in the past year expelled five 12 yr olds.
If govt made it legal then age restrictions can be put in place..etc...
However ..for as long as there are elders who are willing to buy alcohol/smokes for under age youths ..then we are hitting a dead end .
Now..marijuana is being laced with 'P' to get them hooked faster and on a more deadlier drug.

That is total crap. Don't beleive eveything the news tells you. For one thing what dealer is going to waste money lacing tinnies with P? This is just media feed scaremongering.

and South Auckland is hardly like The Bronx dude.

alcohol can be fine in moderation, just as weed can be devostating when overused.
pot makes you lazy to a ridiculous degree, unfocused, uncoordinated, forgetfull, unable to remember anything new, and will eat your money as anything else would.

its really unfair to say alcohol is worse when you are thinking of an alcoholic versus an ocasional smoker. besides not everyone is violent when drunk. and you can drink and not get smashed to shit. these things really should get considered...

i really have a problem with pot because i have personally known people to get lost and throw everything away for it. it's pathetic and sad and really hurts the people who love you. its a selfish drug. (not to say that others arent....)

so really if you are going to compare, you have to be spacific about the usage quanity to be fair about both substances.

how the fuck would u know elvis..??
when was the last time u came to south auckland..????????
For your information...'p' laced marijuana is
very high over here ..thats how ppl are getting addicted to the shit.
Reply to something you know about..
do a fact search before disreputing something you know nothing about..
South Auckland has been my home for many years and my group and i see it all the time !!
we have kids out here as young as 10 addicted to the crap..we are the fuckers who clean up the mess...
they now wear red and blue bandanas..they carry weapons as deadly as sawn off shotguns..
You know jack shit about it..!!Fucking research it before opening thine fat mouth .
It has nothing to do with whats broadcasted on the news..we see it on a daily basis..how the hell do you think the news got statistical fact to report it.
Fuckers like us teachers n social workers who are out there trying to save these kids from doing a repeat of the michael choy murder..
NOTE: michael choy was a pizza delivery man who was conned into making a phony delivery to a desserted house where upon he was set upon with baseball bats and a hammer..was robbed of the 20$ cash he was carrying
and the pizzas ..he managed to crawl to his fathers house 4 blocks away ..where he eventually died on the doorstep.
The kids who did it were high on 'p' and the youngest was only 12 at the time is serving a jail term of 15 years..
this all happened 2 streets away from me..(for those who dont know)

its true.
and the pot in the states (i dunno know if its still going on but a year ago it was) is being laced with heroine. heroine wasnt selling well in mexico so they'd lace the pot and export it to the states to get people hooked to boost sales.

Thats a load... It doesn't make everyone like that. Especially lazy. Usually when cheebs and I smoke we will roll a blunt and go for a long walk. Sometimes even have a cone or 2 and go for a bike ride.
Hell. I have been known to get off my ass and start cleaning the house haha.
It doesn't really eat my money. Just due to the fact that a small amount goes a very long way.

I know people that make weed there main priority. Its just stupid.
Here in sydney. Weed is sometimes laced. You just gotta look at it and you can tell. Big thick ass crystal looking things all over it.

Someone mentioned drinking and smoking on daily basis.. I think it was skoof in regards to knowing people who do this.
After a while you can tell the difference between a daily smoker and a daily drinker.
The drinker is usually more annoying to be around then the smoker. Well. The ones I know of anyway haha.

Sounds like you're in a happy place - good for you.

October's comments are validated by science, however - just as alcohol makes you aggressive and overconfident.

Going for a bike ride on alcohol probably wouldn't be a good idea, but then again neither would going for a night out high on cannabis.

If I was to try heroin or crack, I might be able to get on with my life almost as normal at first. I might even defend it as fairly harmless - after all, none of those so-called side-effects affect me in that way... it's all under control.

If not as quick or obviously, cannabis and alcohol can both destroy lives too.

I miss pot.:(

If a genie popped up right now and gave me three wishes I'd say:

1. A never ending bag of the best pot
2. The measurements 36 24 36
3. Sephiroth (You can take that in Qabalistic terms if you so desire)

That's because part of me is silly shallow and undersexed.

I miss my pickle chips:o

For some ungodly reason..pot or alcohol did nothing for me..except make me sick..LOL.
but ironically its true..
gangs like the black power and mongrel mobs are lacing marijuana with 'p' in order to get youngsters hooked..
Obviously we researched this by sending in a dummy buyer to get a tinnie then have it tested.
The tinny house has since been shut down
in our street but has re opened in another
in another part of town...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectid=10376102

This whats been happening on a regualr basis now in south auckland , especially.
em trying to find the other link as to what was found on them...a tinny laced with 'p'

I would rather have a night out being stoned then I would when im drunk. At least I may actually pay attention to what is going on during the night and not pick fights like most drunks do(not that im a crazy drunk. Im usually the one taking care of everyone else's ass).

I have done the bike ride when drunk. Was the longest ride home but funny as hell.

I will always say that alcohol is worse. I have seen more bad things happen to people when they drink then when they have been smoking.

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One question, are you a cop?

Yes...I'm a cop, a marijuana cop, and my jurisdiction is worldwide.

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hahahahaha.. How many times have ya heard that cheebs?.. Always manages to make me laugh.

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Yep, keep laughing right up until they turn your arms in angles they don't normally turn in and tell you to stop struggling and slam the cuffs on you. Anyone who has watched one of the "cops shows" knows that. Ya think they don't go fishing online? Guess again sweetie.:cool:

Then, you suck and should shove a nice tasty, smelly bud right up your ass Cheeba. Or add it to one of your sauces, whichever works best for you. ;)

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Well.. It just so happens that Im not in the USA.. We dont get treated like shit here.

But thanks for looking out for me. :rolleyes:

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We're setting a record here, lala; this is actually twice where we are in agreement. ;)

Marijuana laws in other parts of the world aren't always nearly as strict as those imposed by the ridiculous lawmakers of the US of A. Also, in many places, the police aren't quite as... how should I put it?.... enthusiastic? about catching and detaining their perpetrators.

Many US cops aren't quite so brutal. My brother is pretty cool with normal folks that break the law by smoking pot. He hates taking them to jail. He doesn't believe that mary jane should be illegal, but fact is that in the US it IS illegal. Hopefully that will change at some point.

But yeah, from what I've heard about Australian culture, I don't imagine that lalala's arms are going to be twisted up in weird angles, put into a wrist lock, and shoved into a police car just for enjoying a Sunday blunt or anything elso short of a very violent crime. They have a little more...tact, shall we say.

I'm not coming down on you, Mona, but you just gotta understand that the US doesn't set the bar on how police operate around the world.

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Dont make this a habit. We could end up bitch slapping each other again .. :)

Or kissin' in the ladies' or some fucked up shit like that. 'Course, Cheeba'd probably remove my trachea with a spork.:D

a wooden spork!

Cannabis makes you introspective/self-pitying.

That depends on the mood you're in before you smoke. Sometimes I've introspective enough to enjoy the more positive perks of my personality or to at least have a really good conversation over a good cup of coffee (pot makes me crave coffee).

If I'm smoking refer, and I start feeling sad, I quickly find something to divert my attention. I want to enjoy myself. In fact, I've been a blubbering basket case when I was drunk way more times than I've ever been while high. I mean if I have to watch all the 'toons at illwillpress.com a million times or get up and dance, that's what I'm gonna do.

You can't stick one emotional lable on marijuana because a. it effects everyone differently, b. you have a certain amount of control over how you want your experience to be, and c. if you've never smoked before and just seen people high it doesn't make you any sort of judge as to the effects of marijuana.

They don't know the total effects of THC on the brain, that's why my psychiatrist recommends that people on psychotropic meds don't smoke it. There are millions of studies, billions of theories, and zero conclusions.

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Well, thank God (or whoever) for that! I know there's other countries that are more intelligent with how they treat people, and there are actually good cops in the US, unfortunately I think they are the minority. Ever notice how the cop cars no longer have the "To Protect and Serve" logo on them, at least they don't up here any more. OK, I'm done with my little rant, just be careful folks, ya never know who's watching, and no I'm not overly paranoid, I speak the truth, trust me.

uh...sorry haunted. You just dont do it for me.

How about we go back to smacking each other around.. :)

I would say you could emotionally label it as much as you can label alcohol with 'aggression' and 'confidence'.

These might not be constant, guaranteed traits of the drugs, but they sure are popular symptoms - which let's face it is what leads us as users and scientists as researchers to draw their conclusions in respect of the effects.

I've seen heavy smokers go down the same mental path - they do an awful lot of planning, moaning and reflection with a distinct delusion of grandeur... maybe the dope gives them insight and good ideas, but carrying them through is another matter.

Yeah, that's probably true, but I'm really not up for the smacking around bit anymore. After that last round I said to m'self, "Heather me girl, you're never too old to lighten up."

I mean, I don't know you. I don't know the things that go on in your daily life. I don't know when your feelings are hurt and you're angry. I can't really judge you, you know.

You don't know me. You don't know that I have a disabling dose of bipolar disorder, one of the five mental disorders that is actual a scientifically shown medical/psychiatric problem that can be detected on various and sundry brain scans. So you wouldn't know whether I'm having a manic episode or a depressive episode.

In summary, fighting about shit that in reality doesn't matter a whole hell of a lot is sorta kinda pointless. I can promise you this: I'm not going to start anything. I'm especially not going to make anymore below the belt comments. If there's an intense interesting discussion going on, and we disagree, I'm probably going to agree to disagree so as not to start any kind of bull poop at all.

Am I becoming a passive? Hell no. Passiveness isn't in my vocabulary. However, I'm learning how to pick and choose my battles. I'm only going to fight for something that benefits a greater good, and a "greater good" does not include my ego.

Allow me to quote a short song by Ani Difranco called "Joyful Girl"

i do it for the joy it brings
because i'm a joyful girl
because the world owes me nothing
and we owe each other the world
i do it because it's the least i can do
i do it because i learned it from you
i do it just because i want to
because I want to

everything i do is judged
and they mostly get it wrong
but oh well
'cuz the bathroom mirror has not budged
and the woman who lives there can tell
the truth from the stuff that they say
and she looks me in the eye
and says would you prefer the easy way?
no, well o.k. then
don't cry

and i wonder if everything i do
i do instead
of something i want to do more
the question fills my head
i know that there's no grand plan here
this is just the way it goes
and when everything else seems unclear
i guess at least i know

i do it for the joy it brings...

I would rather smoke a little(or a lot) of weed than drink any alcohol. I mean, to drink is all good and whatnot but, I'd rather not feel like shit afterward.

I haven't smoked weed in at least two months. :( I wanna get high so bad.

Maybe one reason that I don't like to drink other than the not wanting to feel shitty part is that my husband, my father, my grandmother, my brother(sooner or later), and so many more people in my family are alcoholics and it has ruined them in so many ways.

Someone mentioned that people call weed a gateway drug but, in my opinion, alcohol is a gateway drug. My dad is addicted to crack or coke or whatever(I don't know shit about drugs because i'd rather not) and he didn't start until after he got drunk one day with a friend, or so he says.

Well, my opinion has been told...

Bebo the pansy wood elf

At the end of day..each to his own.
Drugs are everywhere..whether we want to admit or not..all of us divulge every once in a while in the substance..
its in our coffee...its in the perfume we use...its even in our cokes..
why do you think these things are so addictive.?
If ppl choose to smoke it in thier homes or with freinds...who are we to judge..?
If ppl want to sniff it up thier noses..who are we to judge..??
My only concern is how readily available these things are to our children...and easily accesible.
These ppl don't care because it all comes down to the $$s.As long as theres a
buyer...there will always be a seller.
Last year there was a huge march here in NewZealand..protesting against a pathetic issue.ownership of the seabed and foreshore.
Maori tribes and leaders ..united and
1000's upon 1000's took a week long march to parliment in protest.
Last month..a sole grandmother tried to start up a march against the sale of 'p' cos of the damaget it has done to her own children/grandchildren alike...
She called upon the maori to join her as it effects them more deeply than any other race...
a whole 50 ppl turned up...and they marched from one end of the street to the other..then went on home.
As long as they got thier faces in the paper..they were happy.
And only one maori leader turned up.
Was the same as the march against child abuse..but in that case..100 or so
showed up.
The priorities are all fucked up in my opinion.

You make a lot of good points, Stubborn. I think which is to say that, it's just me, but reality, not even from a metaphysical perspective, is just sorta up to people. This because every method or law just isn't true in every situation. Some things are true 99.9999999% of the time but you still have to allow for that .000000001% may switch everything around and dump everything you've thought on it's head.

Is it all ineffable or do we just see where it goes?

Ironic as this may sound..
Its like hittng your head on a brick wall.
Everybody who indulges in drugs n alcohol
always have an excuse for their habits..
alike the religion and abortion debate..nothing can be said or done to change ones veiws on the matter.
As i mentioned earlier..it only bothers me where our young ones are concerned.
What gets me is this..most of
these people have children of thier own,
they keep poisons out of thier reaches,
they make sure that sharp objects are locked away from them..they protect their children in any way possible...and yet..
they think nothing of keeping bottles of alcohol in their fridges or cabinets..
some even go as far as driving drunk with their kids in the cars.
Same as weed...some parents think nothing of smoking it in front of thier kids
or leaving it in full veiw..because as they mildly put it ...its their right as adults to do as they please.
Its like how hypocritical we are when we teach our kids about stranger danger..
As adults we know damn well santa does not exist..and yet we allow our babies to sit on an old mans lap who is dressed in a red suit..or chase after
ronald macdonald..some weirdo in a gay costume.
'shakes her head'
oh and by the way..I told my children , when they were old enough to understand about believing in santa.

Anybody who indulges in anything, be it icecream or caffeine makes excuses for what they do. Jesus christ, food can be an addiction.

I grew up with beer in the fridge. I knew that it was an adult drink and that if I touched it I was in trouble. I'm not a raging alcoholic. As a matter of fact, I don't even like alcohol that much.

I mean, sure, I don't want kids to smoke and drink. Humans don't stop developing until they're at least 18. Those types of behaviors can really fuck up a kid's developement. That's why, in the US, we have laws about when someone can start drinking, and if we were to have laws legalizing marijuana, that limit of 21 would apply also.

Furthermore, you can't judge parenting by your own mold. Some people just don't fit and they're doing fine. This is an extreme example, but it proves my point. One of my best friends is a genius. That's not an exageration, that's not a pet term. It's a fact. He's so fucking brilliant it's not funny. His mom smokes pot, and he smokes pot. Do they fit the mold? No. Smoking a joint to them is what having a glass of wine is to other people.

Not everybody reacts to whatever media source you tune into or whatever your neighbor's kids are doing. However, that's possibly why it's so dangerous, because it's unpredicable.

Exactly..
they lowered the drinking age here to 18..but younger are being supplied by thier parents.
The whole..'well its ok because..i want my child to be able to be drink in a safe enviroment'..then the same parents allow thier kids to jump behind the wheel n
drive or be a passenger in which a mate of thiers is driving...its ridiculous..
Their have been many road casualties over here concerning young kids from this whole ordeal..
If i could only go back n paste you the amount of news items concerning the deaths...and the pics of the very same parents scratching their heads and asking themselves..'why'
Your lucky to have been disciplined enough sister boo to not touch the liquor in the fridge...in reality now..its not that simple anymore.
Alot has to do with peer pressure etc..
'yawwwwwwwn'..(soz)
have been up for a few hours now..em very sleepy.