lol

Very true....question away.....

Let the debate rage on folks....LBM, my point has been made....

so wait, since i oppose bush I support Kerry? assumptions are not your friend.

Besides I was simply giving back what you put out, sugar.

So.......who do you guys think one the debate.....

And I thought that I was the 'Queen Of The Analogy'...lol...I'd hand you my crown, but I happen to like it right where it is....


BTW...YourLastMistake...Remember that thing you said that you were gonna do just for me?...Now would be a good time, Sweetie;)

Everyone sit back from the comp a little...Take in a deep breath, and let it out real slow...........There ya go

I will. I'm through.

My contradiction has been removed LBM.....

On with the debate....

*has shut own cockhole for the sake of getting along*

As have i.....except we both keep posting.....maybe we can bury the transpirings thus far....

:)

Thank you...Much appreciated:)...I love it when a man keeps his word;)

So uh....ya.....the topic?

i dunno why but that sounds SO DISGUSTING!

on with the flame wa..... debate :cool: lol

GDIS

Can we say Post whoring WHOOT WHOOT. LOL gotta love the post whoring lol.. *lub*:D

actually ive seen a LOT of post whoring by AR lately

eg "*bumps for _______________ *"

GOOD FORM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D lol

GDIS

"Ya ive been on alot more lately, since the Kpro thing i have felt the need to be more present in not only moderating but the community with you guys"

Uh.....i dont know why i quoted that....:confused:

*sniffles*

you really DO care!! GROUP HUG!

GDIS

Stingy, you didnt get a tax cut? Then maybe you A. dont make enough to even pay taxes or B. make to much and dont deserve a tax break.

My lady and I together make just over 6 figures a year thats right a married couple making just over 100k a year got a tax break. Whoop te do I must be rich and didnt know it. I didnt know that auto mechanics were so highly paid that all of the sudden we are rich folks. My lady is an accountant going to school full time, working for her CPA. And we pay for school out of our pockets no grants, no loans nothing, thats right nothing.

I left home at 17 with the clothes on my back and about 20 dollars in my pocket, I had no money and no where to live, you want to know what I did? I worked 3 jobs to save enough money for me to go to tech school and get an education. No elite household here my friend. My wifes father was on the verge of being bankrupt and was told NO you cnat get a loan for your daughter to go to school. No elitist household there either. I didnt go to a private school and neither did my wife we work hard and I will be damned if I am going to give away my money to the government because they know better than me. Yea what innere city youths need is midnite basketball, how about some parenting skills people and stop having children to increase the welfare check. I am in no way rich my friend and dont expect that I ever will be, and if you arent making enough money where you work then maybe you should find something better. I will give you this, I believe that highly qualified teachers are out there and are few and far between and for sure they do not get paid enough to educate children, but that is for another discussion. When are people going to learn that the in order for the democrats to stay in power they have to keep the poor and the minorities down. Oh wait Gods forbid that a minority makes it in life and does something with themselves, then they have sold out and are Uncle Toms right, aka C. Thomas, Condi Rice, George Wahington Carver, Colin Powell, those arent really black folks they are OREOS right. Race relations in this country I believe can be attributed to the democratic party continually driving a wedge between whites and blacks to support their own gains. There is more homeless, drug addicts, and welfare recipients now than there were before FDRs great society. Cant you see, the government has no power if people are not dependent on it.

By the way I never said that I was sticking up for Bush, I simply pointed out my point of view in politics, no one ever said I was a Bush supporter but I will say I will never support John Kerry. ANd how funny it is about how Kerry says he is for the little guy and doesnt want tax breaks for the socalled rich, thats fine John I expect that you will be giving that tax break that you got back to a charity of your choice at any moment. I wont hold my breathe.

I am of the opinion if you pay taxes you get a tax break, just because someone who makes a million dollars a year got more of tax break than myself doesnt mean anything to me what it does mean is that he paid more taxes than I did.

One more thing before my head explodes, trickle down economics works like this. A rich guy, ( I am so jealous of him) takes his capital (his money) and invests it, whether it be the stock market, a business or whatever, thats where the jobs come from. If the rich guy didnt invest in business there would be no business, thus there would be no jobs, thus more dependency on the gummit.

Take Illinois for example, our great gov. is very business unfriendly, guess what lots of people downstate have lost their jobs because the businesses couldnt make money doing business here so they left the state. Now I have to pay more taxes to take care of those on unemployment and welfare because our great DEMOCRAT GOVERNOR decided to raise taxes and fees to run a business here. Dont think the tax the socalled rich plan is working, by the way a rich guy gave me my job, and another rich woman (a conservative woman business owner:eek: ) gave my wife her job. Funny I couldnt get that welfare mom with 18 kids to give me a job.

right back at ya Gothic-chick:D

Stingy,

politics aside, I luv ya man and I really do hope that you do well for yourself and your family.

Even though you probably think I am a ruthless cold hearted conservative rich guy.:p

Hmmm...Something is missing here....Let me think....OH YEAH...You forgot the part about how you can catch up to kPro's post count, now that he's no longer posting...lmao...


You know that I'm kidding ;)







Or am I?:p

No, I don't think that about you at all. Although, you and your wife make a little more than double what my wife and I make. And I did have to pay taxes last season, although I'll grant it wasn't much (a little over a hundred dollars.)

But as far as the democratic party keeping the minorities down so they can stay in power .... that's nothing short of silly. Affirmative action is a democratic idea (one that I disagree with, by the way), and so is welfare (another one that I don't necessarily disagree with, but I think needs a massive overhaul). But, you say that if the minorities were no longer strapped for cash, they would not need to vote democrat? Am I following you? The democrats are keeping the minorities down? Come on! If the republicans had their way every time throughout history, blacks and women would still be dreaming of the opportunity to go to the voting booths!

P.S.: I wouldn't say I that I love you back. I sort of keep you on the backburner when all my other dates have fizzled out. :p

I interrupt this thread to inject it with a bit of humor...If you think that the political debating gets hot HERE...You should read THIS...

The Silliness...

Agreed.....You say conservative...i say intolerant.....gay marriage is the new discrimination.....

funny I am conservative, I also am a practicing witch for nearly 20 years (ssshhhh dont tell anyone otherwise they will come tear up my GOP membership card:rolleyes: ) not exactly mainstream neo-christian is it.

I dont have a problem with gay marriage, as a matter of fact I dont even understand why it is an issue. Dont confuse conservative with Republican there is a difference.

By the way good one Bloodrayne it seems that even the teachings of Christ cant bring people together.

Stingy, like I said I think that teachers should be paid a hell of a lot more than they are, it is one of those things that drives me crazy. Football, basketball, etc stars, movie stars etc get paid millions of dollars for playing games and for so-called acting while people that deal with the nations children,such as yourself, get paid, well lets just say not so well. Me thinks that is one of the biggest problems in society today is too much emphasis on things that are not important. You must be really dedicated to those kids to do what you do and I commend you for that.

This is what I am saying, I listen to a gentleman on the radio, his name is Tony Brown, on WLS out of Chicago, I believe you can listen on the web, he had made the remark that for too long the democratic party has taken the minority vote for granted, that no matter what they are going to vote that way and meanwhile what do the politcians do? Give them lip service and no substance. I am not saying that if minorities werent strapped for cash they wouldnt vote democratic, what I am saying is that they dont get diddly for their vote. Honestly I dont really care for what either party has done for this country, in a way I dont see much difference between the 2 and I think that it is time for some fresh blood and new ideas, AKA Libertarian party, populist, constitutionalist, whatever. I also dont buy the arguement that republicans would try to keep minorities and women away from the polls, after all the South was and I believe still is predominantly Democrat.

Affirmative action was a good idea at one time, but I think it has gotten abused and misused, much like the welfare system which was also a good idea at one time. I just think that giving people a hand out isnt going to help them. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.

By the way I am a sure thing and a cheap date LOL:p

give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime. now, if you send the river across the ocean, where the water is cheaper, you end up with a man standing around with a fishing pole, starving his ass off. i agree that the welfare system is messed up, and there should be some major housecleaning done. but not done away with.because if there is even one person recieving it that really needs it, then its worth it. if we take these welfare mothers and give them jobs, they still wouldn't be able to work without daycare. and unless you create jobs that pay decent wages, or establish workplace childcare, they still wont be able to afford to work. what i dont understand is why the gov. doesnt go back to the old ccc days of the thirties. after high school, allow the people who cant afford college, and dont want to be crippled by student loans(another issue entirely),and dont want to join the army, to go to work for the gov. working on roads, in the forrests, cleaning up this place, while at the same time offer them technical training so that they can be competetive in the job market. make them sign a contract, and hold them to it. or after working for a number of years, pay for college like the military. i think it would eliminate the problem of illegal imigration (or at least make it a little better). oh well, i guess it goes back to the old saying, do onto others as you would have them do onto you, at least in some since.

good one. as in, just cuz theres a couple of shitheads in there doesnt mean the whole bunch should be made to suffer.

GDIS

Hey, I appreciate the support you have for us who go into the trenches everyday here at home. I had a conversation once with a man who kept trying to talk to me about football. I hate football, always have, and I finally told him so. When he asked for an explanation, I basically told him what you said here in your post. That America has its priorities all out of whack. The entertainers get paid millions, whereas teachers and police officers are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to professional pay. He just blinked and looked at me and said: "That's because nobody wants to pay to listen to a teacher teach." Yeah, I know, guy! That's my point! People would shell out 60-70 dollars for decent football game tickets with no problem, but would probably not even show up to enlighten their minds to a free lecture/seminar! But, what can you do?

And The South is predominantly republican. You can check that on any political map on the web. I live in Mississippi, and am well aware that I am surrounded by republicans on a daily basis.

But, you say you are a practicing witch for 20 years. I find this very interesting. I know you are not republican, but I would also like to point out that the republican party (if they had their way) would saturate this nation with Christianity. If you have children, you would realize how frightening this idea is. I'm an atheist, and have to send my daughter to a public school. And even though the law doesn't allow it, the teachers (at least in this area) take it upon themselves with every opportunity to bring god into the classroom. This is my MAIN problem with the republican party. It all boils down to separation of church and state. I'm tired of the decisions a president makes having a basis in his faith. Stem-cell research, for example. Logically, it is a necessity. Many Americans could benefit greatly from the results of this research, and to ban the practice of stem-cell research is simply immoral -- unless you fall back on religion to support your decision against it. It blows my mind.

kerry won

Kerry won for delivery, and Busch won for substance.

I'm voting for Busch

But, you say you are a practicing witch for 20 years. I find this very interesting. I know you are not republican, but I would also like to point out that the republican party (if they had their way) would saturate this nation with Christianity. If you have children, you would realize how frightening this idea is. I'm an atheist, and have to send my daughter to a public school. And even though the law doesn't allow it, the teachers (at least in this area) take it upon themselves with every opportunity to bring god into the classroom. This is my MAIN problem with the republican party. It all boils down to separation of church and state. I'm tired of the decisions a president makes having a basis in his faith. Stem-cell research, for example. Logically, it is a necessity. Many Americans could benefit greatly from the results of this research, and to ban the practice of stem-cell research is simply immoral -- unless you fall back on religion to support your decision against it. It blows my mind. [/B][/QUOTE]

Oh dont get me started on religion, I dont care what anyones religion is and I dont force mine on anyone, but it seems that Christianity feels the need to do so. More people have died in history in the name of Christianity than all of the wars combined. Yea I agree there are alot of fundamentalist Christians in the republican party, one reason I dont care for them either. THe Bush administration made a point of saying that Pagans and or Wiccans and the like is not a legit religion, who the hell are they to decide that. Here is where I see the intolerance. I also agree with you whole heartedly on stem cell research, if it would save lives....I just happen to be in a tough position with how I vote and The lesser of 2 evils doesnt work for me. If I had to choose I would vote for Bush as much as he pisses me off at times, I just cant bring myself to vote for Kerry, I just dont believe that he believes in anything except how to get elected. I really like Howard Dean, even though I didnt agree with everything he said especially the war on terror, but the media made him out to be a nutjob and the democrats abandoned him. Shame, I think its 3rd party voting for me again which gets me nowhere.

Id just like to say goodform on both Stingy AND Creepers back and fourth debating here....

You guys raise the bar as to the maturity and well formed arguments here....A grand example to the rest of we posters....

Goodform...

Thanks bro, yea its better to have a serious discussion instead of taking it down in the gutter and name calling.

On that note, Stingy, I think that you are in a unique position being an atheist, whereas someone who is a christian, buddist, Pagan, Wiccan, or whatever, they have as myself do convictions to follow, and dont get me wrong I am not saying that you dont have convictions, but what I am saying is that it is hard for an individual not to make decisions based on thier faith.

I try to do right by folks and have respect for Nature and Mother Earth. I take only what I need and try to live my life by a certain philosphy. After all I think that religion is philosphy and it all depends on how you look at it. If W believes in his heart that stem cell research is wrong because of his religious beliefs I cant fault him for that as much as I disagree with him on that issue. Of course there are those that claim to be religious and then do things that are against everything that they claim to believe, some want to have it both ways. I guess all you can do is try to live life the best way you know how and in your heart you know if something you are doing is right or if it is wrong.

This is the problem I have with Kerry, he changes his position too many times so it is really hard to figure what he really believes. I prefer someone who can tell me what they think or feel and then not change that position based on polls or pressure.

Example: Alan Keyes- this guy is a right wing nut job to most, but he says what he thinks( I have heard the guy speak on several occasions) and he has never changed his position on what he has said. He said he thought that homosexuality is wrong, when asked about Cheneys daughter, he said that just because its CHeneys daughter makes no difference to him, he still believes it is wrong and condemns her for it. Now I dont think that is right by any stretch of the imagination, but the guy sticks to what he says and what you see is what you get. I would really like to see someone in politics like this, not his positions but his taking a stand whether it be unpopular or not.

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They say never to discusss religion or politics. No one ever sees someone else's point of view no matter how well argued or construed that point is. I wondered how long it would take the argument to come down to Christ and gay marriage. All I can say on that is, I can't you believe in the 21st century IN AMERICA people are telling others who they can and can't marry. I can't believe that people don't realize marriage and love are basic rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Why you would care who someone else marries or worships is beyond me. How could two people getting married effect you. I think this election should be won or lost on issues that affect all of us, all of our defense, all of our taxes, all of our health. Not on if two people who want to, get married. It seems laughable that that is even an issue.

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I agree, it seems laughable. But it really isn't. I'm not the type of person that can stand by and idly let an egregious wrong occur to someone else when it is in my power to stop it. If the government is stomping on the rights of ANY of its citizens, be them black, gay, christian, wiccan, atheist, old, young, stupid, or suffering from rectal prolapses, and I have the power to vote those responsible out of office, I'll go ahead and do it. True, gay marriage does not affect me personally. But, I won't put my vote behind a candidate who does not practice tolerance and understanding.

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Eloquently put. The point that I was trying to make exactly. I believe that marriage is an intrinsic right, not one to be debated. I can't believe that people don't understand that. Did you think I meant something else?

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Honestly right now we all know kerry is in the lead by a small fraction but my opinion is still set on Bush he is a good man a great leader and in the end people will realize who they realy want as their leader for the next four years. Kerry is way to undeciceve about everything i mean just look at how many times he has gone back and fourth about the war. O h by the way im Destiny AMK babygirl and im 15 and glade to meet you all.:D

I'm sure you can all tell she's a chip off the old block!! LOL

I'm Canadian so my opinion doesn't count. I want Bush out, he scares me. If the world was better made, Arnold could be president.