My dog is well taken care of. But i still find dogs or any animal in the house to be dirty. And how am i any less intelligent than anyone else because. I think of my dog as my pet and not my "companion"? You saying that someone is stupid because they don't think as you is the height of arogrance.

:D fair enough dude! Good to hear you don't use the glue traps those things are just plain fucked. If I was infested and overun with vermin I'd have to set traps but yeh its a last resort.

We also have a mind to take the more ethical option.

Gorillas have similar teeth and don't eat meat (a few bugs aside).

Totally agree with you there Despare.

I was gonna reply what Wufong said but he's just fuckin' trollin' so I can't be bothered wasting my time.

Glue traps are disgusting, I can't believe they're around still. The animal struggles and often gets stuck on its side until it starves to death, or sometimes it will just try to eat the food and get its face stuck to the glue and it suffocates. Incredible that they're even legal, traps are one thing but glue traps...

The powers that be were looking at making them illegal over here, I don't recall what happened about it. I haven't seen any on the shelves for awhile so I guess there outta here.

Agree 100%.....where's PETA...They get all over the President for swatting a fly yet I can go in any hardware or home store and buy these by the dozen.

PETA are idiots that's where there at

No you was going to reply, but you know i'm right. Face it you preach how its so bad to kill animals. But yet by your everyday actions you kill thousands or even millions of animals. You can't refute that, so you call me a troll as some lame attempt to save face. But meh. I'd rather be thought of as some troll than a fucked hypocrite like yourself.

If you breathe, you kill life. If you step on a small bug without seeing it, you end a life. If you go to the doctor and have yourself cured of a disease, that's more life gone.
People need transport sometimes - while I don't get behind driving to the local shops, if it's a place that isn't within stones throw I see no problem with it. There's always carpooling, public shared transport and bicycling to be taken into consideration too but when it comes down to it if a person needs to say, get to work on time and work's an hour away, the done thing would be to drive...not everyone has the time or situation to always organise other means. People need refrigeration to store food in optimal condition, so that they don't have to waste it, by throwing it out and insulting whatever life has been lost or made effort to create what's in there - besides, there IS an energy rating system.
You can't really blame a person simply for existing, living in the world that they do and employing the technology that's available to them...
People can though take steps to effect the environment and those that share it, in a minimal way. Ethical products, recycling, not being wasteful, more environmentally friendly cars, not using excessive amounts of power, energy saving globes, growing and eating your own produce with chemical-free means, to mention but a few things.

However, I don't really think that's the issue here and pretty off topic when you look at it.
You can't exactly call someone a hypocrite on the basis that they live within normal means, simply because they don't agree with a death being required for effect in a medium of entertainment. You'd have to be pretty dim, or simply looking for means to insult someone not to see that there's a pretty clear line of difference there.

I'd agree on that - though there are other options like this one
http://www.pest-control-warehouse.co...use_traps.html
Usually those work without issue - the mice go in, they just can't get out.
Then you just take them someplace else.
There's also those electronic ones that employ sonic technology to keep pretty much anything smaller than a rat away, inclusive of certain types of insects - though if you were considering this I'd test it in the presence of your pets to make sure it doesn't irritate or scare them either.

That said if something like those things didn't work, and it was an ongoing problem at that point I wouldn't consider myself "above" having someone gas the joint, generally more effective than killing them one by one.

Not certain, but I recal reading someplace that last one there was something that evolved, which would probably explain why our body doesn't play so well with animal fats.

So...you just proved my point?
I think somebody may have pointed this out, but if you don't keep your animal in conditions so that it'll become dirty, it's a non issue - if a child rolls around in mud, said child gets washed.
Leaving an animal unclean is an invitation to all manner of infestations and zootosis, which can drastically reduce not only the quality, but also the length of life of the animal.
Though you haven't said you *don't* clean yours, and claim they're taken care of (though you and I differ in our perception there), you've only really said that you think it's dirty, so assuming that's true your actions can't be put down to complete lack of responsibility, though I might question your logic.

You're right, animals aren't the same as humans. I don't sit mine up at the dinner table 'nor do they sleep on my bed, though I do think it's a basic duty of care to ensure the animal is kept clean and in good condition, and yes I consider them in terms of companion/friend, so if I kept an outdoor animal and it was cold I'd let them inside...or as a second option have an appropriate outdoor area set up for them that's sheltered, with sleeping materials, and free of drafts.

There's no point telling anyone to "get over it", because I was over it before I was ever under it, I do what I do and that works for me - what you do and how you're perceived is on you.

Whatever dude you don't know shit about my everyday actions. I try and do my part to try and minimize my impact on the enviroment etc and employ a few of the things cheeba mentioned in his post like public transport, recycling, buying locally/ethically.

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