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Zero 05-10-2009 01:13 PM
WHat If Like JasOn Had a ChainSaw thAt waS StiCKing oUt Of hiS ButT and tHEn FrEddY wEnt to BUGger Jason but haD hIS WeinER CutT OfF - ThAT WOulD Be AWeSoME

Doc Faustus 05-10-2009 02:51 PM
What if Freddy got a job in the city morgue and when was making rounds he discovered his own body? And then he tore up the death certificate and laughed and then laid down on the gurney?

neverending 05-10-2009 03:25 PM
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if it came down to a melee confrontation in the dead of night between a werewolf in wolf form and a vampire, the werewolf would possibly lose, but werewolves can stake a vampire during the day.
Can the human half of a werewolf remember what the wolf half knows? In most cases, no. So the human half of the werewolf would have no idea a vampire is hunting it, so he wouldn't know to go stake it.

Azazel005 05-10-2009 10:25 PM
Of course there is scores of different lores one could follow in interpretting the combat prowess of the relative contenders. We could pick the highest end Lumley Vampire who can forge monsters through flesh and is virtually unkillable even if completely dismembered vs some wanky twilight incarnation of a werewold which I assume would be a piss weak critter.

The most popular and well constructed lore that includes both that I know is World of Darkness in which both are very very powerful beings and physically a Vampire stands a flat rating zero change against a Werewolf.

As far as we can assume across the vast majority of lores the vampire would still need to go so far as be prepared and properly equiped to kill a werewolf, a werewolf would not have to go so far.

So hey providing the vampire has got his Wolfie hunting kit, sure he may have the edge but if they are heading out too dinner on a full moon and cross paths unprepared, down goes fangy.

neverending 05-10-2009 10:29 PM
Well, I'm using my old Creepy & Eerie magazines as source material, not your Johnny come lately gen x crap. :mad:

_____V_____ 05-10-2009 10:38 PM
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if it came down to a melee confrontation in the dead of night between a werewolf in wolf form and a vampire, the werewolf would possibly lose, but werewolves can stake a vampire during the day.
Considering that the human part of the werewolf doesnt remember much of what happened "last night", I doubt it. Plus, vampires hide their bodies pretty well.


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The capacity to engage in daylight operations is important. Human beings kill vampires all the time in movies because of the capacity to exploit this vulnerability and as werewolves are essentially human, they too can.
If the vampire is essentially not a "daywalker" then yes, this is a pretty big vulnerability it has. But I stand with my point above - does the werewolf in human form remember what it was upto "last night"?


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Vampires can be killed by several things, werewolves can be killed by one. Werewolves can be repulsed by wolfsbane, vampires can be repulsed by crosses, garlic and running water. The werewolf is the stronger contender.
Thats very true, but how many werewolves run around with crosses, garlic and running water after transformation? Even if they got those in their human form and waited for the full moon for their morphing, I dont see how they ll recognise and know the relevance of those things near them once they are transformed. The rage inside them will make them start running towards their nearest prey to rip them to shreds.


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And if a vampire confronts a werewolf during the fullmoon, the vampire will probably get mauled to the point of paralysis and torn limb from limb.
Killing something which is already dead wont be plausible. The vampire will come back.

And get hold of what? Mist? Rats? Even a big bat which is flying 1000 feet up in the sky? The werewolf has to get hold of the vampire first. And a vampire in feral state with only 50% of his reasoning and cunning abilities, is still a much smarter creature than the werewolf.


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Hypnosis on an 8 foot tall rampaging wolfgod? Come on! There isn't enough mind to control during this time.
See what I replied before?

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I forgot another key power of the vampire - hypnosis. It can be very effective, especially when the werewolf gets powerless when the moon goes down.
The werewolf maybe damn near impossible to beat when the full moon is high, but when the moon starts waning, it grows weak. Contrary to the powers of the vampire, which are not dependent on the moon. Being a creature of the night, any night out of the 30 days in the month or 365 days of the year is booming time for it.

We all love werewolf movies a lot, but we revere Dracula for this precise reason. I dont think that even the most powerful werewolf of the world is anywhere near a match, much less a close match, for the Prince of Darkness.

Azazel005 05-10-2009 10:50 PM
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Considering that the human part of the werewolf doesnt remember much of what happened "last night", I doubt it. Plus, vampires hide their bodies pretty well.




If the vampire is essentially not a "daywalker" then yes, this is a pretty big vulnerability it has. But I stand with my point above - does the werewolf in human form remember what it was upto "last night"?


Thats very true, but how many werewolves run around with crosses, garlic and running water after transformation? Even if they got those in their human form and waited for the full moon for their morphing, I dont see how they ll recognise and know the relevance of those things near them once they are transformed. The rage inside them will make them start running towards their nearest prey to rip them to shreds.




Killing something which is already dead wont be plausible. The vampire will come back.

And get hold of what? Mist? Rats? Even a big bat which is flying 1000 feet up in the sky? The werewolf has to get hold of the vampire first. And a vampire in feral state with only 50% of his reasoning and cunning abilities, is still a much smarter creature than the werewolf.




See what I replied before?



The werewolf maybe damn near impossible to beat when the full moon is high, but when the moon starts waning, it grows weak. Contrary to the powers of the vampire, which are not dependent on the moon. Being a creature of the night, any night out of the 30 days in the month or 365 days of the year is booming time for it.

We all love werewolf movies a lot, but we revere Dracula for this precise reason. I dont think that even the most powerful werewolf of the world is anywhere near a match, much less a close match, for the Prince of Darkness.
It's heavily dependant on a much larger body of work that one is drawing a vampire's powers from. Additionally how far we take the idea of a "fight".

I am pretty sure I can take out the current UFC champion if I wait for him to fall asleep and burn his house down, though I wouldn't classify it as uch of a "fight".

How many vampires run around with an ample collection of silver objects for that matter?

The fact really being as far as I can assume from whatever pop cultures references I have to draw on, can a vampire defeat a werewolf? Yeah if he is properly prepared to take advantages of his weaknesses. Forcing us to pre-suppose he can sufficiently gain access to the correct weapons, and/or track the werewolf capably during the nights when the moon is not full.

Can a werewolf beat a vampire, yeah in all circumstances but the above and in anything that I consider a stand up fight, mythos dependant.

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Well, I'm using my old Creepy & Eerie magazines as source material, not your Johnny come lately gen x crap. :mad:
At least then the Vampire could hide his silver under his generous black and red cape!

bwind22 05-10-2009 11:58 PM
A werewolf would not have the ability to figure out that it needs a stake, garlic, crucifix or holy water to kill a vampire therefore the werewolf stands 0% chance of killing the vampire.

That fact alone should render this discussion obsolete, but somehow the majority of you seem to suffer from a complete lack of logic.


How about Bruce Lee with nunchuks vs. an enraged Werewolf?

Posher778 05-11-2009 12:25 AM
Problem is... Most vampires are pompous, and usually get their asses kicked for it. Per Van Helsing.

roshiq 05-11-2009 01:41 AM
all depends on the writer who he'd let win in the final fight of a story/film.


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