A bold statement, and of course untrue - there are considerable skills required to combine convincing special effects, subtle CGI, an unnerving soundtrack perfectly timed, and intense direction of actors. If any of these goes wrong, the effect is severely diluted and sometimes laughable - the complete opposite to what was intended.

Not to mention that to properly shake up the audience, they must have grown to care about the fate and motivations of the characters - 'torture porn' films are clearly as able to do that as films in any other genre.

If these movies are simply enjoyed as 'spectacle', then so be it - the art crowd will never let this kind of stuff in anyway. But it just so happens that films like Wolf Creek, Hostel and Saw are much more than a sum of the gruesome parts they depict, in both execution and originality.

Which ironically is more than can be said for Cabin Fever, which trips itself up paying homage left right and centre. With the director's next effort, unshackling himself from fanboy attitudes really paid off.

You can find plenty of good and bad suspensful and gore-free horror films if you look for them, both old and new.

Of course, we all must remember that these comments are all opinions, and opinions do not need to be agreed with. They don't even need to be intelligible!

not to mention intelligent

What he said. :cool:

I disagree. In torture porns, the charcters are usually slutty, whore bag teens fucking each other all the time, swearing, drinking and smoking every few seconds. I felt nothing whatsoever for any character in RZH.

Yeah, smoking....

It sounds like you are not disassociating yourself enough with the behaviour of characters in a movie. There are unsavoury, disagreeable types in films of all genres - if it means you could never care anything about them because they are in 'torture porn' movies, I think it proves my earlier point that detractors of this genre find the general lack of perceived decency and moral purpose to be aggravating... perhaps because these viewers mistakenly believe they deserve more respect from the filmmakers.

Why ask a video game guy about movies, anyways? I didn't see anybody ask Ed Boon or John Tobias about action/fighting movies back in the day...

What I'm saying is these people do nothing to get any sympathy or remorse from the viewer.

How about the fact that we should all be able to relate, considering most of us drink smoke or have sex before marriage. As a generation, we're flawed, (if you can call it that) and so are these characters.